You don't understand, it's not so clear-cut. Sylar's upper level powers aren't anywhere near the sort've damage that Sidious can render, but he is an extremely clever fighter. He curbstomped Peter, who is an evolved human with the ability to mimic other powers the instant he approaches the vicinity of another evolved human. Peter has access to all of Sylar's powers and much more. But Sylar always beats his ass because he's that good of a fighter.
Sylar's got an uber-mastery of telekinesis to the point that he can split cells and skin with it. Sidious can win, but this would come down to a "one second, one move" type of fight. Sylar'd either put Sidious in a telekinetic choke hold, crush his throat, or rip off his head, or Sidious would do the same thing. Or blast him into pieces.
Originally posted by GideonWhat about precognition? Or sidious ability to cloak himself as he mastered every technique in the force.
You don't understand, it's not so clear-cut. Sylar's upper level powers aren't anywhere near the sort've damage that Sidious can render, but he is an extremely clever fighter. He curbstomped Peter, who is an evolved human with the ability to mimic other powers the instant he approaches the vicinity of another evolved human. Peter has access to all of Sylar's powers and much more. But Sylar always beats his ass because he's that good of a fighter.Sylar's got an uber-mastery of telekinesis to the point that he can split cells and skin with it. Sidious can win, but this would come down to a "one second, one move" type of fight. Sylar'd either put Sidious in a telekinetic choke hold, crush his throat, or rip off his head, or Sidious would do the same thing. Or blast him into pieces.
Personally i think any strong jedi can take sylar provided they strike with a killing force technique before he attacks. And if sidious got into a telekenetic choke hold couldnt sidious use the force to defend against it?
And about being a smart fighter wouldnt sidious be more intelligent as he manipulated the republic?
What about precognition?
Precognition isn't infallible. If you've seen Sylar fight, you'd know what I'm talking about. He immediately goes for the kill, the second that he senses he's in danger or that his target is within his grasp. He doesn't dick around.
Or sidious ability to cloak himself as he mastered every technique in the force.
Sylar is not Force-sensitive. Using Quey'tek to shield himself within the Force would be useless because Sylar could still see him.
Personally i think any strong jedi can take sylar provided they strike with a killing force technique before he attacks.
Which is a tall order, because not only is Sylar cleverer than most Jedi (and Sith), he is far too fast. His telekinesis permits him to move at uncanny speeds (easily rivaling that of the Jedi speeds) and he simply doesn't dick around or attempt to take his quarry into custody or capture.
And if sidious got into a telekenetic choke hold couldnt sidious use the force to defend against it?
Depends. Could he use the Force to break it? Unlikely, since Sylar's grip is purely telekinetic and not Force-based. Could he somehow use the Force to bear against Sylar? Yes, but he'd have to use it quick. Sylar might pick him up and break his neck before Sidious can think to throw him across the room.
And about being a smart fighter wouldnt sidious be more intelligent as he manipulated the republic?
That's like saying Bill Gates would WTFpwn anyone in a fight because he is a thoroughly brilliant businessman and the mind behind the world's most revolutionary technology. Being a "genius" doesn't make you a "genius fighter".
A better case for Sidious would be his conduct during his fight with Yoda. However, Palpatine is a brilliant duelist himself based on his clever use of terrain and his priorities. In a fight, he cares more about preserving his own life than taking that of his enemy's. Sylar is similar; he'll run if necessary or throw shit at people.
It all depends. Palpatine could blast Sylar into oblivion, choke up, or whatever - but it could go either way and it will likely come down to one move. It depends on who's faster on the draw.
Originally posted by GideonFirst who says your opponent has to be connected to the force in order for him not to see you if you use this ability? Because as far as i know this worked on on the yuuzhan vong as they themselves are completely cut off the force so why wouldnt it work on sylar?
Sylar is not Force-sensitive. Using Quey'tek to shield himself within the Force would be useless because Sylar could still see him.
And if sidious did want to counter sylars tk before hand why not use malacia as it induces dizziness and nausea into its opponents thus rendering his TK useless since tk requires a certein level of
concentration?
Because Quey'tek as you just mentioned is a totally different technique from what i was trying to imply. I was implying rendering yourself physically invisible by bending light.
One thing gideon i am not disputing that it will be a easy kill for sidious because i agree with you for the most part. It really depends on the outcome and i certeinly agree with you it can go either way. What i just mentioned are the ways sidious could counter some of sylars abilities
But as you said sylar does go in for the kill so what i have mentioned above may be no use
just so you guys know, for the sake of this battle i made it so that sylar and his powers would be force based, otherwise sidious would be seriously handicapped
on another note however, i think people are seriously not giving sylar's phasing ability enough credit here, i mean the guy can simply negate anything that sidious can throw at him with the ability, its sylar's best asset in this fight
Originally posted by IOUSylar being force based would make a slight difference. Weather or not sylar is force based sidious still can kill him provided he is successful.
just so you guys know, for the sake of this battle i made it so that sylar and his powers would be force based, otherwise sidious would be seriously handicapped
Originally posted by IOUSylar is amazing and no he cant negate everything sidious can throw at him, Malacia can counter his abilities and he cannot negate a force storm or any other force based powers saver for lightning drain etc
on another note however, i think people are seriously not giving sylar's phasing ability enough credit here, i mean the guy can simply negate anything that sidious can throw at him with the ability, its sylar's best asset in this fight
clearly u dont know what the ability does; it makes sylar completely immaterial. nothing physical can affect him in this state; it would just pass straight through him. as for non physical force based attacks, its up for debate whether sylar wouldnt be affected by those either (ie force drain). the way i view it, making himself immaterial would pretty much remove the force from him, as the force can only exist with matter. in this state, nothing that sidious can do would affect sylar in the least, so im personally seeing sylar winning in this matchup
Then its funny nakamura could stab him
1. that was present day sylar, not future sylar, who doesnt know the phasing ability
2. hiro had been showing up all over the place with the intention of stabbing sylar yet always got cold feet, so its pretty clear sylar simply believed hed lose his bottle again and got caught by surprise, as we know he had the ability to prevent it
And the force can exist without matter
since when? give me one example. its said that all matter within the universe is made up of the force, so making himself immaterial would likely have the same effect as looping out
Originally posted by IOUTake the vacuum of space for example. A life drain and a nihilus force drain is different, A simple life drain could also merely drain the life out of sylar. Or he could simply induce sylar with nausea
since when? give me one example. its said that all [b]matter within the universe is made up of the force, so making himself immaterial would likely have the same effect as looping out [/B]
To what extent could he use that so called uber ability because i might as well say Shadow cat(marvel)> white phoenix of the crown(marvel) because she has the same exact ability that future sylar has but guess what? She herself could get torn apart by telekenesis and sidious force storm is a wormhole ? A wormhole or a black hole is the most destructive thing in the universe and in reality a black hole would stretch you miles apart and not even light could escape and light isnt made up of any atoms
so it will kill sylar
Take the vacuum of space for example.
outer space actually isnt a perfect vacuum, its not completely empty and it still contains matter, so try again
A life drain and a nihilus force drain is different, A simple life drain could also merely drain the life out of sylar. Or he could simply induce sylar with nausea
in sylar with malacia which would render his TK and abilities useless as he cannot concentrate at all to focus to use his abilities and hence sidious can proceed to kill him
again, youve failed to establish that the force can exist without matter
technically, as TC, i should be allowed to make such a decision, but ill let you continue arguing it if you start offering up a valid point
To what extent could he use that so called uber ability
the character who originally possessed the ability, DL Hawkings, could move through walls for long durations of time, phase through bullets, make anything he touches immaterial and phase through people
sylar, thanks to his original ability of enhanced perception (somewhat akin to mace's shatterpoint ability), can master and perfect his abilities better than anybody else as can be seen when he steals the ability of telekinesis off of brian davis, and straight away can use the power to much greater effect, and the same thing happens with his liquefaction ability, so it can be safely assumed that sylars use of phasing far eclipses DL's
because i might as well say Shadow cat(marvel)> white phoenix of the crown(marvel) because she has the same exact ability that future sylar has but guess what? She herself could get torn apart by telekenesis
plot necessity?
and sidious force storm is a wormhole ? A wormhole or a black hole is the most destructive thing in the universe and in reality a black hole would stretch you miles apart
not if you can make yourself immaterial 😄
and not even light could escape and light isnt made up of any atoms
so it will kill sylar
so what if its not made up of atoms, its still made up of protons, and thus is material, which is more than can be said for DL when he phases. face it dude, sidious cant touch DL once hes phased