Thanos with heart of universe vs darkseid with ALE

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The entire point was that I said it wasn't in 616 continuity and some people acted as if I was stretchign the truth.

Only because you were stating it as fact.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As long as we know it's up for debate, i'm all for taking what you say as having value. And alot of it.

If we communicated this way all the time,

we would have some legendary debates.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But the moment you act as if people have to take what you think as fact, it gets very very annoying.

But it is a Fact Nvr,

I overlooked this part of the End during this thread until now.

Originally posted by Mr Master
There's also a lot of evidence that points to it being 616.

Like what is Atleza doing in this Arc, if it does not involve 616?

Atleza is the Anchor of the 616 Reality

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/atleza.htm

Why is she involved in the End saga?

"You & Gamora were OUTSIDE THIS REALITY, tending Atleza,

this ACTUALITY'S Cosmic Anchor"

This "Actuality's Cosmic Anchor?" hm

But Atleza is the 616 Anchor.

That right there places the End arc in 616, conclusively without a doubt.

There's no arguing this,

you must agree.

Whether this Fact was retconned or not is a separate debate.

Originally posted by Mr Master

That right there places the End arc in 616, conclusively without a doubt.

There's no arguing this,

you must agree.

I'm not trying to derail the thread by going off topic, but could the DS fans answer this thread....

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=9091881#post9091881

Originally posted by Mr Master
Only because you were stating it as fact.

If we communicated this way all the time,

we would have some legendary debates.

But it is a Fact Nvr,

I overlooked this part of the End during this thread until now.

That right there places the End arc in 616, conclusively without a doubt.

There's no arguing this,

you must agree.

Whether this Fact was retconned or not is a separate debate.

I just don't know. It seems like it could be the 616. But the writer specifially meant for it to be an exact copy of the 616. So for all intents it was the 616 but not. Kinda vague.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, but it could take place in any universe in the 616 multiverse.

The focal point of Thanos' absorption was "This Actuality"

And "This Actuality" happens to be the one Atleza Anchors.

Atleza Anchors the 616 Universe.

"You & Gamora were outside this Reality, tending Atleza, THIS ACTUALITY'S Cosmic Anchor"

Thanos absorbed the Multiverse, from the Reality Atleza Anchors (the 616 Reality)

I'm 100% confident in this fact.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I just don't know. It seems like it could be the 616. But the writer specifially meant for it to be an exact copy of the 616. So for all intents it was the 616 but not. Kinda vague.

Not exactly.

I was the one that found and posted that Jim Starlin interview.

Jim said, that at FIRST the story was going to be non-canon,

because Jim was going to destroy ALL of MARVEL, for good,

not just a Universe or Multiverse but ALL of it.

So he was given an option to place the story in a Twin Marvel Reality that represents everything Marvel is, but wasn't really because it was a copy of Marvel.

Jim did NOT LIKE this idea, and Jim wanted his story the END to be CANON,

so Jim decided to destroy and recreate the Prime Multiverse instead,

this way keeping the story CANON.

I'll find the article and link.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The focal point of Thanos' absorption was "This Actuality"

And "This Actuality" happens to be the one Atleza Anchors.

Atleza Anchors the 616 Universe.

"You & Gamora were outside this Reality, tending Atleza, THIS ACTUALITY'S Cosmic Anchor"

Thanos absorbed the Multiverse, from the Reality Atleza Anchors (the 616 Reality)

I'm 100% confident in this fact.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Intersting, because EVERY OTHER TIME you've been asked this you said Atleza anchored the entire Blue Sphere/Multiverse.

edit

Hey, what did you just edit away? I wanted to see your reply!

Originally posted by King Kandy
Hey, what did you just edit away? I wanted to see your reply!

I tried putting it back, and I timed out.

Here's my take:

Originally posted by King Kandy
Intersting, because EVERY OTHER TIME you've been asked this you said Atleza anchored the entire Blue Sphere/Multiverse.

Right, I was wrong about that.

Atleza only Anchors the 616 Reality,

which means the Blue balls are Universes after all, while the smaller purple ones

(outside of Space & Time) are still the Anchor's Domain.

Apparently it's the structure of the Cosmic Vortex that confused us all.

Since the balls are apart, we summized they had to have been separate Multiverses, otherwise how can you flow from one Universe to the next?

It opened up a can of worms in my head, I realized how Starlin has never written anything past the Multiverse, he stations his stories as though there is only the Multiverse (every Universe in Marvel) it's basically the same thing as the "Omniverse" only he doesn't seem to acknowledge the separation of MultiverseS to MegaverseS and so on.

This is why it was called, Marvel the End:

Cause taking out the Prime Multiverse, is as good as taking out Marvel.

This is also why the story was nearly non canon to begin with, Jim was going to create a Duplicate Multiverse and erase that from existence but it would have been a standalone arc, non-canon.

Then Jim changed the story, and resurrected the Multiverse (Marvel) instead,

this way keeping it canon.

The Prime Multiverse that houses the 616 Universe IS the most relevant Reality, so if you threaten that, you basically threaten Marvel.

Remember, there are NO other Eternity's or Cosmic Hierarchies outside the Prime Multiverse, none according to the Marvel Handbook 2006, LT Bio:

If you think about it, on panel it's just as true.

I never seen any Abstract Cosmics operating outside the Multiverse in other Multiverses or even Universes. Not even the LT.

The Balls are all connected though they seem apart, because we get a different perspective inside the Cosmic Vortex, but from within the actual Balls/Universes you can affect all the Realities in one seemless flow.

Thanos absorbed the Universes from within Reality,

where all the Universes are separated by "Branes" (Dimensional Walls)

So do you think Thanos hollowed out every ball except the anchor ones? That seems... wrong.

Originally posted by King Kandy
So do you think Thanos hollowed out every ball except the anchor ones? That seems... wrong.

Well,

Thanos himself said only Time & Space was needed to bring Reality back:

"Next requires Time and Space which no longer exists"

All the Anchors are beyond Space and Time's touch:

Which is why this happened:

"You & Gamora were Outside This Reality, tending Atleza, this Actuality's Cosmic Anchor"

When Warlock stepped outside the Blue Ball,

like where Atleza's Realm is, he was outside of Eternity's and Infinity's influence:

Beyond Space and Time.

Thanos absorbed all of Space and Time,

everything else was left behind.

DS with ALE wins...

Originally posted by King Kandy
So do you think Thanos hollowed out every ball except the anchor ones? That seems... wrong.

This also seems strange K,

is this a coincindence?

The Omniverse has the same basic look from the Inside:

As Starlin's Multiverse from the Outside:

Both are in a tube-like structure stretching into Infinity.

Both have Realities swirling downward and upward.

The Omniverse's description in this specific arc,

is strikingly familiar to what the Prime Multiverse is:

"The Omni-verse is EVERY possible Alternate Reality" (ALL the Marvel Universes)

Can Starlin's Multiverse be the Omniverse, just he doesn't phrase it that way?

It's possible imo.

Originally posted by Mr Master

But I know as a true debator, you can't deny there is conclusive proof that the End took place in 616 as well as other Realitiies.

i told you i was once on your side of the fence. at the time, i believed it was canon and took place in 616. 😉

Well, there are obvious diferences in the two tunnels. One seems to stretch into some sort of whiteness (Or maybe into infinity, and it just looks white.) However, Starlins tunnel has a definate stopping point on at least own end (Oblivion)... And while both tunnels have realities on the sides, the Omniverse one lacks anchors, and has the realities on the walls of the tunnel, as opposed to the inside.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
DS with ALE wins...

Originally posted by King Kandy
ALE can beat God?

Originally posted by leonidas
i told you i was once on your side of the fence. at the time, i believed it was canon and took place in 616.

I was talking about the Atleza scans,

that unequivocally places the story in 616.

When Thanos absorbed All of Everything,

Thanos said he was standing in the Reality Atleza Anchored,

the Reality that Atleza Anchors is the 616 Reality,

so based on this,

aside from the possibility of it being "retconned" later on ... will you agree,

that the story the "End: Marvel" On Panel, was in Fact intrinsically connected to 616?