steel (in the imperex armor) vs thor

Originally posted by UniOmni
I do think the Godblast, his ultimate attack would do more damage than most anything Superman or DD could put out, not gonna say Darky tho.

I'm going to start off with a simple question. What has the godblast really done that can be measured? Driving away a weaknened Galactus is impressive...but that same attack didn't even move Juggernaut back.

Is Juggs > Galactus?

Originally posted by UniOmni
[B the only reason why this started, was because i thought i remembered Superman doing minimal damage to the Aegis, to which you said you don't see any such thing, but if it did, it's no low feat.[/B]

And I stand by it.

Originally posted by UniOmni
[B then you basically implied Thor couldn't replicate even a minimal amount of damage, even if Superman did.[/B]

Well..you made a mistake there. IF Superman had done some kind of damage, then I would assume Thors most powerful attacks would be able to do something....but since they didn't...

Originally posted by UniOmni
[B i don't defend Sentry. [/B]

Really?

Originally posted by UniOmni
[B stance on Sentry is that his implied power from his conception suggests that he's on a level above the conventional top tier(of which Superman is included, even if he is at the pinnacle), and his absence of low feats don't hurt his standing either.[/B]

Sounds like a defense to me. Especially when Superman has done oh so much more.and well, so has Thor.

Debunked.[/B][/QUOTE]

Actually, you helped prove that you do.

Originally posted by UniOmni
[B Entropic Energy is Entropic Energy..........[/B]

Glad we agree.

Originally posted by UniOmni
[B Superman takes Entropy eyebeams to the face and only goes "arghh", amirite?[/B]

Take it up with the writer. Let me know when Thor controls Entropy.

Originally posted by UniOmni
[B the ultimate energy null unless Superman takes multiple blasts and doesn't rip his costume.........[/B]

That's Superman...Not Thor.

Originally posted by UniOmni
[B>entropy?[/B]

Not at all...unless you believe Superman and Thor will outlive entropy itself.

Originally posted by UniOmni
[B i maintain that energy blast absorbtion is something Thor does extremely well.[/B]

Never disagreed. However. Entropy will kill him...and trying to absorb entropy will likely kill him faster. Logically of course.

Originally posted by UniOmni
[B doesn't need to worry about durability if the magical plot device absorbs it.[/B]

Speculation. If this is the case. No more T-vo cracks since it's just as much a plot device.

Originally posted by Newjak
No this hasn't.

The only thing said is that when it comes too straight up damage few if any in the top-tier can match him which includes Superman or Doomsday which people are bringing up.

The point is just because those two failed doesn't mean Thor would because he has a higher damage output then them.

As for DS well his ability to do damage is kind off some times. Sometimes it looks like he can destroy anything while other times he gets punked. 😛

Thor at the very least is in the same class...which failed to do any damage to the Aegis.

And someone who's in a higher tier failed as well. Which completely debunks Thor doing anything.

A wave of his hand...and Thor is sludge.

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
Question what is BFR.

Battle Field Removal

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I'm going to start off with a simple question. What has the godblast really done that can be measured? Driving away a weaknened Galactus is impressive...but that same attack didn't even move Juggernaut back.

Is Juggs > Galactus?

And I stand by it.

Well..you made a mistake there. IF Superman had done some kind of damage, then I would assume Thors most powerful attacks would be able to do something....but since they didn't...

Really?

Sounds like a defense to me. Especially when Superman has done oh so much more.and well, so has Thor.

Debunked.

Actually, you helped prove that you do.

Glad we agree.

Take it up with the writer. Let me know when Thor controls Entropy.

That's Superman...Not Thor.

Not at all...unless you believe Superman and Thor will outlive entropy itself.

Never disagreed. However. Entropy will kill him...and trying to absorb entropy will likely kill him faster. Logically of course.

Speculation. If this is the case. No more T-vo cracks since it's just as much a plot device. [/B][/QUOTE]

The only things i still take pardon to are the Sentry defense thing and the Thor being unable to absorb entropy thing.

I have never said that Sentry beats Superman in a fight.

All i've ever said about Sentry, is that his implied power and absence of any low showings would put him at a level above the conventional top tier if i cared enough about him to bother ranking him.

Sentry is intended to be a hero without peer, while Superman is the first among his peers.

I don't defend Sentry, since i think he serves no purpose whatsoever.

I don't however, toss aside the way Marvel treats him simply because i don't like him.

And if Kyle in the crossover can shield multiple characters from the ultimate explosion of entropic energy, why wouldn't Thor do something he's done before on a much smaller scale when he hasn't been unable to absorb anything yet?

And Juggs thing is being totally invulnerable. That's his schtick, as inconsistent as it may be.

Low showing for Godblast, or two plotdevices collide.

On the other hand, Exitar had the braincase broken, and Galactus was chased away.

And he vaped a baddie who had his number with it previously in Ragnarok.

I do think it'd do more than what SM orDD could put out.

Originally posted by Juntai
I believe Bill is higher than Thor, particularly when it comes to physical. Even before he got his hammer he was a bone-crusher.

Nope, physically they've been shown to be equals. The only time one was ever shown superior to the other was in Blood and Thunder, in which Thor was physically bustin everyones ass.

Originally posted by UniOmni

And if Kyle in the crossover can shield multiple characters from the ultimate explosion of entropic energy, why wouldn't Thor do something he's done before on a much smaller scale when he hasn't been unable to absorb anything yet?

And Juggs thing is being totally invulnerable. That's his schtick, as inconsistent as it may be.

Low showing for Godblast, or two plotdevices collide.

On the other hand, Exitar had the braincase broken, and Galactus was chased away.

And he vaped a baddie who had his number with it previously in Ragnarok.

I do think it'd do more than what SM orDD could put out.

1. Maybe cause GLs are way more powerful than Thor and Thor has nowhere near the energy manipulation feats they have?

2. Dude, stop bringing up the Exitar example. It's PIS and in-admissable.

3. The Galactus example is suspect and probably jobbing on Galactus's part.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I'm going to start off with a simple question. What has the godblast really done that can be measured? Driving away a weaknened Galactus is impressive...but that same attack didn't even move Juggernaut back.

Is Juggs > Galactus?

Cracked Exitars dome twice. This was after the combined assault of a few skyfathers failed to even scratch him.

Not just ran off, but nearly killed Galactus.

Easily Dropped Durok whom was owning Thor and Surfer.

Blew Mangog's head off.

etc

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
1. Maybe cause GLs are way more powerful than Thor and Thor has nowhere near the energy manipulation feats they have?

2. Dude, stop bringing up the Exitar example. It's PIS and in-admissable.

3. The Galactus example is suspect and probably jobbing on Galactus's part.

1. Baseless claim unless you can prove it. Which you can't.

Better energy manipulaters? Probably, however Thor can absorb, redirect, increase the effectivness of, and pretty much do whatever he pleases with energy.

2. I've asked you this before. I'll ask again and see if you gracefully dodge it like you've previously done.

How can the feat be PIS if nothing had never occurred to contradict the feat?

3. So what? Jobbing or not, Thor did to Galactus what up to that point had never been done before.

Originally posted by His Airness
1. Baseless claim.

2. I've asked you this before. I'll ask again and see if you gracefully dodge it like you've previously done.

How can the feat be PIS if nothing had never occurred to contradict the feat?

3. So what? Jobbing or not, Thor did to Galactus what up to that point had never been done before.

1. Proven fact. 😛

2. Not even worth debating. It's complete PIS.

3. A very hungry Galactus, and I'm still wondering why he didn't absorb it or do something other than get hit.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
1. Proven fact. 😛

2. Not even worth debating. It's complete PIS.

3. A very hungry Galactus, and I'm still wondering why he didn't absorb it or do something other than get hit.

1. It is, when was this determined?

Better energy manipulators? Probably, however Thor can absorb, redirect, increase the effectiveness of, and pretty much do whatever he pleases with energy.

2. Not worth debating or your skills obstruct you from debate it?

3. Hungry, yes but he had eaten before his confrontation with Ego.

How about you guys get back on Topic?

Thor dies a horrible death.

Aegis Armor is closer to the Destroyer Armor(probably even) than to Thor.

I thought this was well known. Spite thread and a useless one at that. All this Supermna/Thor crap needs to end.

Avalonofthewind, youre a i****. What Thor couldnt do to juggernaut doesnt mean that he cant do it to superman, Steel, or who ever due to the fact that juggernaut whole character is his durability and he has a forcefield up to measure it. Everyone that you have named juggernaut durability is >> theres.

Juggernaut has survived things and didnt feel it than most of the people you have named. Example; getting burned down to the bone and is still walking like nothing has happened. Bad example to use juggernaut when he is arguably one of the most durable characters is comics.

And thor out put of energy is >>>>>> supermans by a long shot. Superman main output of energy is his freeze breath and his heat vision. I dont even want to name everything that thor can do and the energy that he can dish out. Thor is so much more versatile than superman that its sickening.

Thor would be a better match and could possibly pull out some wins. Just because superman couldnt do it dont mean that thor cant.

I dont know why in the hell im up here arguing with you when your one of the most superman fans that i have met in my life. You dont think that the guy could lose to anyone. By the way you got it all mixed up with superman splitting a moon. He didnt split it with his fist, he flew through it. Anyone with a high class of durability and flight speed could do that. Its not impressive.

Beta ray bill stood on top of a planet and destroyed it. Two completely diffrent things. Superman has never broke a planet or even crushed anything close to the size of a city. I have seen him destroy a asteroid but we dont know how big the asteroid was. Im not saying that he cant do it but it has never been done (I collect a lot of his comics and havent seen it yet.).

I would like to get back to the juggernaut not being harmed by thors hammer. You do know what cytorrak is based off of. Well let me tell you, he is based off of true strength and invulnerability. He has other powers at his disposal but his main is his invulnerability and strength. He was stated as a being that could never be harmed and his strength was unlimited. He gave that to the juggernaut, the strength and the durability but the other powers juggernaut just dont know how to call upon them. So what galactus failed to do but juggernaut did dont mean jack sh** because again juggernaut could be the most durable person in comics. I have yet to see the character bleed.

But i havent came up with who would win this battle yet. Kinda leaning to thor since he is so da** VERSATILE.

dur

Originally posted by carver9
Avalonofthewind, youre a i****. What Thor couldnt do to juggernaut doesnt mean that he cant do it to superman, Steel, or who ever due to the fact that juggernaut whole character is his durability and he has a forcefield up to measure it. Everyone that you have named juggernaut durability is >> theres.

Juggernaut has survived things and didnt feel it than most of the people you have named. Example; getting burned down to the bone and is still walking like nothing has happened. Bad example to use juggernaut when he is arguably one of the most durable characters is comics.

And thor out put of energy is >>>>>> supermans by a long shot. Superman main output of energy is his freeze breath and his heat vision. I dont even want to name everything that thor can do and the energy that he can dish out. Thor is so much more versatile than superman that its sickening.

Thor would be a better match and could possibly pull out some wins. Just because superman couldnt do it dont mean that thor cant.

I dont know why in the hell im up here arguing with you when your one of the most superman fans that i have met in my life. You dont think that the guy could lose to anyone. By the way you got it all mixed up with superman splitting a moon. He didnt split it with his fist, he flew through it. Anyone with a high class of durability and flight speed could do that. Its not impressive.

Beta ray bill stood on top of a planet and destroyed it. Two completely diffrent things. Superman has never broke a planet or even crushed anything close to the size of a city. I have seen him destroy a asteroid but we dont know how big the asteroid was. Im not saying that he cant do it but it has never been done (I collect a lot of his comics and havent seen it yet.).

I would like to get back to the juggernaut not being harmed by thors hammer. You do know what cytorrak is based off of. Well let me tell you, he is based off of true strength and invulnerability. He has other powers at his disposal but his main is his invulnerability and strength. He was stated as a being that could never be harmed and his strength was unlimited. He gave that to the juggernaut, the strength and the durability but the other powers juggernaut just dont know how to call upon them. So what galactus failed to do but juggernaut did dont mean jack sh** because again juggernaut could be the most durable person in comics. I have yet to see the character bleed.

But i havent came up with who would win this battle yet. Kinda leaning to thor since he is so da** VERSATILE.

Lol at this.

It'd probably help your stance if you bothered with punctuation in your responses, and didn't resort to name calling.

No heat.

Trickster Priest...............lol again.

You basically just pick and choose what showings count for you, and which ones don't, even tho Thor is more formidable than Kyle(GL) consistently?

Thor has never had a problem absorbing any energy he tried to with the hammer, but he couldn't absorb entropic eyebeams that Superman was shrugging off without anything but a pause?

And you wonder why your credibility is nonexistent.

I don't even like Thor as a character, but i'm not gonna discredit what he brings to the table.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Lol at this.

It'd probably help your stance if you bothered with punctuation in your responses, and didn't resort to name calling.

No heat.

Trickster Priest...............lol again.

You basically just pick and choose what showings count for you, and which ones don't, even tho Thor is more formidable than Kyle(GL) consistently?

Thor has never had a problem absorbing any energy he tried to with the hammer, but he couldn't absorb entropic eyebeams that Superman was shrugging off without anything but a pause?

And you wonder why your credibility is nonexistent.

I don't even like Thor as a character, but i'm not gonna discredit what he brings to the table.

Gotcha, but me and avalon is always fussing and i just got use to calling him names.

I wasnt trying to pick out the things that suit me best, I was trying to make a point about using juggernaut durability against anyone else when his durability might cant be matched.

The part in my post about picking and choosing showings was addressed to TricksterPriest.

You only got the initial sentence.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
dur

Originally posted by His Airness
3. So what? Jobbing or not, Thor did to Galactus what up to that point had never been done before.

and jobbing or not, Silver Surfer channeled the energies of the crunch to defeat both Aegis and Tenebrous, the latter whom Galactus could stalemate at best...

Steel for the win

One thing i will say reading this whole thread, It is not a definet that thor cannot absorb/redirect the enthropy blast-anybody who say he cant as a fact is just wrong period. thor supprters dont need to prove he can,it does not work that way.

IMO a godblast would damage the armor,i am not saying it would be major damage, in the long run Steel will win this..but if its just because he uses enthropy energy i will give thor a better chance at evening the odds-what other feats does the armor have as an attack? i read the story arch and not much is coming to my memory at this moment

whats with the logic that if darkseid's OB cant effect the armor that nothing else will? what kind of debating is that? i see posters who dont except this logic in other threads but here its ok?

The enthropy scenario is not a definet win,i am surprised by the posters who i thought would not go that route,but i guess i can be surprised

Originally posted by His Airness
Nope, physically they've been shown to be equals. The only time one was ever shown superior to the other was in Blood and Thunder, in which Thor was physically bustin everyones ass.

In another, he had the upper hand, and Thor was begging Valkerie for help. Then Thor stood up and took a shot as Surfer, and Bill jumped in front of it.

Even in the case of Warrior Madness Thor, and Bills heart wasn't even even the fight, just trying to talk some sense into Thor... when they were engaged in physical confrontation Bill was busting him up, then Thor started using Mjolnir blasts, ftw.

Looking across the four or five confrontations there, when they engage melee, Bill is his superior.

Even in the Thor thread there is an example of Thor saying he was barely able to beat an enemy, and him being weak at the time had little shot of winning, but he had to try anyway. Then Bill flies in and smashes the guy like an ant.