Originally posted by King Kandy
Where in the link does it say the end justifies the means?
Lying for Jesus
Being economical with the truth, making up data on the spot and ignoring conflicting evidence are all handy weapons in your arsenal. The important thing is to convince the opponent of the veracity of your claims. Just how you go about this is unimportant. Feel free to refer to other fundamentalist works, whether or not they have been supposedly "discredited", "refuted" or "demonstrated to be false" - the ICR website and publications, Jack Chick tracts, Dr.Dino's website and videos, Answers In Genesis, things you remember hearing from other fundies or as a child in Sunday School, and so on. When comparing the works of God-fearing, Bible-believing Christians against deviant secular humanist scientists, who are you going to believe?Remember, you are here to save their immortal soul from the burning fires of Hell, not educate them in stuff they don't really need to know anyway. If you have a dubious argument based on fictional data, but it works, then there is no problem. The vital matter is bringing souls to Jesus and how you go about that is immaterial. The ends justify the means , and in this case the "ends" are souls being saved. Such a noble and worthy goal itself justifies any means you see fit to use. Physical force is generally frowned upon, although there are clear historical precedents for this. Use your own judgement.
Don't forget, the Lord is watching at all times, and will certainly forgive you as long as you are spreading His good news. So go to it!
Originally posted by debbiejo
Everyone has different views of what death is like. But I would be interested in a visual description of what YOU think it would be like at the moment of YOUR death. From the last minute or so until you.........and.....??Be descriptive with out just saying "I don't know", or "it goes dark and that's all."
The Biblical view of death is glorious. At death the spirit (i.e. the real eternal you which has been made in God's image and likeness, and possessing His nature or essence i.e. spirit) and soul (i.e. your personality, mind, will, emotions, and eternal consciousness) rise from your body (i.e. the physical abode of the spirit/soul while it's on earth) and is escorted by God's angels into third Heaven where God's throne, New Jerusalem, paradise, the saints (i.e. all believers who have died on earth), the angels, the mansions of the saved, indescribable beauty and lush surroundings, but the most important: the Lord Jesus Christ). There is no cessation of consciousness when you die. You simply separate from your body (fully conscious and aware of all that is occurring). Many who have died have affirmed that they were able to identify themselves after leaving their bodies, but that they were more alive than ever (this is how they describe their experience). They relate how much more keen their senses are and the aversion they had for their bodies upon seeing them for the first time without a mirror, describing it as a limitation or burden. One lady who was blind from birth died in a car accident. She describes being able to see for the first time. She never felt more free and ecstatic in all of her life. She soared above buildings and finally straight up into Heaven. She does admit that initially she was terrified experiencing reality as a spirit because for the first time she was able to see. This brought about sudden, but temporary, shock for her. Contrary to widespread opinion, death is not the end of existence, it is simply transition from this physical world into the spirit world (i.e. the real world that all matter, energy, and life originated from). It is just like walking from one room into another. In fact, for the believer in Jesus Christ it will be the greatest day of his/her life because all temptations, trials, tests, and vicissitudes of life will no longer be an issue for him/her. No more struggling with sin or other negative vestiges of this sin-tarnished world. No more bills to pay or doctor visits. No more funerals, headaches, or backaches. There are no more college degrees to pursue, ghettos to live in, no death, sorrow, crying, or pain in Heaven. No more 9 to 5 either. We will be busy but not for the sake of earning a paycheck. We will be busy serving other people, delighting in the Lord's presence, and spending time with not only our biological family and friends who believe on the Lord Jesus for salvation from sin, but we will spend time enjoying the company of our real family: the family of God in Christ Jesus. Furthermore, we will function within the scope of God's economy (and God has no shortages--only surpluses). God has no recessions or economic downturns, only abundance and prosperity. Well why? Why doesn't Heaven have any depressions or recessions? Well the answer is simple: under our earthly economy human labor is necessary to harness resources for commerce. But in Heaven God creates everything that is necessary or desired. No human has to sweat and work to obtain raw materials from the earth (wood, oil, coal, cotton, wheat, sugar, etc.). Everything that we need comes from God. So since there is no human labor in Heaven then their is no need for compensation (currency to exchange for resources). You don't need money to exchange for a house (God has already provided it mortgage free). You don't need transportation (we travel at the speed of thought). You don't need a college education (their are no jobs, no need for them). But God is so gracious, merciful, and kind that we will never stop learning in Heaven, and He will bless us with meaningful assignments (i.e. work that glorifies Him, serves, blesses, helps, and ministers to others out of love, and is devoid of all stress). All of life’s mysteries are available for us to discover in Heaven. However, there are no retail outlets (God provides our raiment pure and clean). There are no restaurants (God provides our nourishment). We eat for pleasure and enjoyment not for survival, so there is no need for elimination. There is no law of supply and demand (God provides more than enough for everyone with abundance left over). The very breezes of Heaven are permeated with God's fragrance, and the mellifluous sound of perfectly harmonic, quadraphonic music emanates from everything (i.e. from flowers, from the ground, etc.), praising God according to some who have been there and back. All of the colors of Heaven are supremely more vibrant as well. The colors down here are like black and white and Heaven's colors are like plasma TV colors. There are no police stations, hospitals, clinics, cemeteries, old folks homes, third world countries or poverty in Heaven (the former things have passed away). There are no fire departments, drug dealers, jails, prisons, terrorists, skid rows, gangs, pedophiles, rapists, criminals, convicts, prostitutes, or pornography (God won't allow it. The former things have passed away). There is no pollution, refineries, ozone layer depletion, nuclear missiles, bombs, nuclear warheads, or any of that. These earthly things are all that we know so we almost cannot imagine life without these things. God knows that that is why He made Heaven so much better so that our eyes could open that much wider when we get there. We are going to be so exhilarated, excited, jubilated, joyous, and euphoric that we are going to jump for joy repetitively the moment that we touch down in Heaven. The angel assigned to escort us there will just smile with joy as he looks upon our excitement and jubilee. We will not be able to contain our joy. We will shed tears of joy and not stop praising God. We will fall to the ground in Heaven in pure joy and amazement. We will see creatures that this earth has never known. We will see mighty angels, some with wings and some without. We will some angels who have six wings. We will see the living creatures mentioned in the fourth chapter of the Book of Revelations. We will see the twenty-four elders mentioned in the Book of Revelations. We will eventually go before the throne of God...this is what I am looking forward to the most! I cannot wait to see Jesus, the Father God, and the Holy Spirit. I wonder what God has in store for us believers in Jesus Christ. I can't wait...I can't wait...I can't wait! This planet is actually a copy of Heaven. The way that it is set up: mountains, valleys, snow capped mountains, rivers, lakes, ponds, vegetation, trees, animals, insects, buildings, furniture, homes, structures, sidewalks, etc. But difference is that in Heaven they're made of gold, not out of gold there is a big difference. There are streets (also made of pure, transparent gold), and neighborhoods as it were. Although Heaven has all these amenities, it is more advanced and operates on a higher spiritual law: the law of love. There is no corruption in Heaven, no rust or decay. There is no dust and, get this: there are no shadows! That's right, you do not cast a shadow in Heaven: remember God is Light, in Whom is no variableness nor shadow of turning. God is Light! There is no more sea but there is a river of water of life pure and clean proceeding from the throne of God. In conclusion, death is a celebratory event for the believer, not something to dread or try to forestall.
In conclusion, death is a celebratory event for the believer, not something to dread or try to forestall, and Heaven is free and for all, what are you waiting for?
Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him [or her] who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.
Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus [that Jesus Christ is your Lord] and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For ”whoever calls on the name of the LORD [Jesus Christ] shall be saved.”
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
...In conclusion, death is a celebratory event for the believer, not something to dread or try to forestall, and Heaven is free and for all, what are you waiting for?...
Death cult.
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I thought suicide was a sin 😕Also have you ever heard of paragraphs? 😉
You didn't actuarially read all of it? 😱
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
In conclusion, death is a celebratory event for the believer, not something to dread or try to forestall, and Heaven is free and for all, what are you waiting for?
WTF? What do you mean, "what are you waiting for?".
Are you trying to encourage people to off themselves?
If Jesus is real, I dunno...I'd probably try to steal his power or something. Like "touch me Master, and save me through your healing touch!" then focus really hard on connecting to the source of his power as he touches me, and taking it as my own.
Then I'd topple Heaven and probably Hell too, because seriously...the Christian idea of heaven seems kinda weird to me.
Then when that doesn't work, I'd ask to be sent to Hell to spite him by learning to enjoy it.
Heresy, I realize, but I might as well have a contingency plan, right?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There are no police stations, hospitals, clinics, cemeteries, old folks homes, third world countries or poverty in Heaven (the former things have passed away). There are no fire departments, drug dealers, jails, prisons, terrorists, skid rows, gangs, pedophiles, rapists, criminals, convicts, prostitutes, or pornography (God won't allow it. The former things have passed away). There is no pollution, refineries, ozone layer depletion, nuclear missiles, bombs, nuclear warheads, or any of that. These earthly things are all that we know so we almost cannot imagine life without these things. God knows that that is why He made Heaven so much better so that our eyes could open that much wider when we get there.
Is it just me or does heaven sound really boring? They should at least have a thunderdome or something...
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Well there is a prison; I believe it is called Hell. There is also poverty because last time I checked there isn’t any money in Heaven. There are also rapists, murders and much more because as you have said as long as they repent they can get into heaven.
Yes, the Christian idea of god, heaven and hell are way too close to Earthly ideas for my taste. Why would god have a monarchy based on the feudal system? The only reason I can think of is that is what the people who wrote the bible understood.