Guardian vs Blackbolt
Who wins?
Guardian- http://www.marveldatabase.com/Guardian_%28James_MacDonald_Hudson%29
vs
Black Bolt- http://www.marveldatabase.com/Black_Bolt
Guardian vs Blackbolt
Who wins?
Guardian- http://www.marveldatabase.com/Guardian_%28James_MacDonald_Hudson%29
vs
Black Bolt- http://www.marveldatabase.com/Black_Bolt
Re: Guardian vs Blackbolt
Originally posted by golem370
Who wins?Guardian- http://www.marveldatabase.com/Guardian_%28James_MacDonald_Hudson%29
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Black Bolt- http://www.marveldatabase.com/Black_Bolt
BB
I'm assuming we're talking about cyborg Guardian here, but I'll still use the term "Guardian suit" or "Guardian armor" when talking about powers and feats (cause I'm old-school like that).
Guardian's armor can manipulate sound frequencies (I can't remember if Mungi has scans of that in his respect thread, but I think he does IIRC).
Also, don't underestimate the strength of the Guardian suit's force field. It has withstood direct attacks from adamantium weapons and a number of heavy hitters.
I'm not sure how durable BB is, but a well-placed plasma burst from the Guardian armor (when worn by Heather Hudson) was enough to kill Snowbird while she was in the form of Sasquatch and had Sasquatch's strength and durability. So I'm sure that a strong enough plasma burst would incapacitate if not kill BB.
Also, cyborg Guardian also took down a weakened Galactus using the suit's capabilities.
I think Guardian can take this, probably 8/10.
Well Guardian's shields have withstood atomic blasts, but a fully unleashed scream easily surpasses that he has basically punched a hole in reality. So by all accounts his scream should penetrate his shields at full power with not much trouble.
However, Mac has a rather large advantage...speed via. thought processing and overall.
Originally posted by shksprtx
I'm assuming we're talking about cyborg Guardian here, but I'll still use the term "Guardian suit" or "Guardian armor" when talking about powers and feats (cause I'm old-school like that).Guardian's armor can manipulate sound frequencies (I can't remember if Mungi has scans of that in his respect thread, but I think he does IIRC).
Also, don't underestimate the strength of the Guardian suit's force field. It has withstood direct attacks from adamantium weapons and a number of heavy hitters.
I'm not sure how durable BB is, but a well-placed plasma burst from the Guardian armor (when worn by Heather Hudson) was enough to kill Snowbird while she was in the form of Sasquatch and had Sasquatch's strength and durability. So I'm sure that a strong enough plasma burst would incapacitate if not kill BB.
Also, cyborg Guardian also took down a weakened Galactus using the suit's capabilities.
I think Guardian can take this, probably 8/10.
That's all fine and good.
Black Bolt can turn him to stone, solidify all the water in his body, turn him into anti-matter, BFR him, kick his ass in H2H, imprison him in an electron field, electrify him... etc, etc.
All without saying a word.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
That's all fine and good.Black Bolt can turn him to stone, solidify all the water in his body, turn him into anti-matter, BFR him, kick his ass in H2H, imprison him in an electron field, electrify him... etc, etc.
All without saying a word.
Indeed, he is underated.
However, some of the things you mentioned wouldn't work on Guardian though such as BFR, imprisoning him in an electron field, etc. However, BB DOES have more overall power
Originally posted by King_MungiWell, speaking and matter manipulation both give him a pretty solid edge here either way.
Indeed, he is underated.However, some of the things you mentioned wouldn't work on Guardian though such as BFR, imprisoning him in an electron field, etc. However, BB DOES have more overall power
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Now the question is can Mac use his superior speed and mental superiority [computer mind] to simply just shut off BB's mind instantly?
Exactly. He should be able to analyze and counter virtually any attack from BB almost instantaneously, thanks to his computer-enhanced brain.
As for shutting down BB's brain, I don't think it would take him too long to find an antipathetic EM frequency with which to effectively negate BB's powers.
As for the effectiveness of BB's voice powers, I suppose a lot of that depends on where they're fighting. If it's near a populated area, I'm not sure BB would be willing to unleash an all-out scream, so unless the fight is in a total wilderness setting Guardian's force-field should be able to withstand most attacks.
And if it came down to a H2H battle, Mac has better strength and speed, which makes up for any advantage BB has in skill.
I still think Guardian can take the majority.
Originally posted by shksprtx
Exactly. He should be able to analyze and counter virtually any attack from BB almost instantaneously, thanks to his computer-enhanced brain.As for shutting down BB's brain, I don't think it would take him too long to find an antipathetic EM frequency with which to effectively negate BB's powers.
As for the effectiveness of BB's voice powers, I suppose a lot of that depends on where they're fighting. If it's near a populated area, I'm not sure BB would be willing to unleash an all-out scream, so unless the fight is in a total wilderness setting Guardian's force-field should be able to withstand most attacks.
And if it came down to a H2H battle, Mac has better strength and speed, which makes up for any advantage BB has in skill.
I still think Guardian can take the majority.
BB take's it, golem didn't say where they fight so, pretty sure they can use whatever they have and one scream should be more than enough.
Originally posted by shksprtxCounter his voice, or matter manipulation?
Exactly. He should be able to analyze and counter virtually any attack from BB almost instantaneously, thanks to his computer-enhanced brain.As for shutting down BB's brain, I don't think it would take him too long to find an antipathetic EM frequency with which to effectively negate BB's powers.
As for the effectiveness of BB's voice powers, I suppose a lot of that depends on where they're fighting. If it's near a populated area, I'm not sure BB would be willing to unleash an all-out scream, so unless the fight is in a total wilderness setting Guardian's force-field should be able to withstand most attacks.
And if it came down to a H2H battle, Mac has better strength and speed, which makes up for any advantage BB has in skill.
I still think Guardian can take the majority.
Mess with EM frequencies in the brain of someone who has master control of electrons, and has in fact done the brain-EM frequency trick to others in the past to control them like robots?
BB can direct his voice at one target. And even a whisper would be a major haul on Mac's forcefields.
What are his strength and speed feats? I doubt he has much of an edge, and I won't even go into the Master Blow.
Don't underestimate Mac's E-M control, it's insanely high he has punked Doom and literally just shut off his's shield in a second due to his control. He was after all built to fight Galactus 😖hifty:
Yeah he manipulated the minds of several people at once
However, overall power? BB has more.
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Strength feats: Hasn't done much, best strength feat I can recall off the top of my head is when Heather stopped a commerical airliner from plummeting into the ground with one hand
Speed feats: Crusing speed of mach speeds, he also has this move where he suspends his positioning to the Earth while it literally turned under him, allowing him to travel West at high speed depending on his latitude positioning. With this "shunt" Mac reaches up 18.5 miles per second. Escape velocity [mach 32.7] is 7 miles per second [Heather has used this to "teleport" behind Witchfire and defeated her]. Also tapping the full potential of the suit he can go speeds faster than light, he went so fast it sent him 5,000+ years into the past. He's an old bugger now