Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Weakened indeed... and obviously weakened a lot.Plus, what was that, electricity, EMP?
Even weakened, I hardly see that working... at all.
Yes he was indeed SEVERELY weakened
Naaaa...it was suppose to be something else that the Qwrlln did to him [never explained, as when he came back AF was cancelled], as Mac powered Galactus's tech at the end of the issue which teleported a spaceship armada and an entire planet.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Don't underestimate Mac's E-M control, it's insanely high he has punked Doom and literally just shut off his's shield in a second due to his control. He was after all built to fight Galactus 😖hifty:Yeah he manipulated the minds of several people at once
However, overall power? BB has more.
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Strength feats: Hasn't done much, best strength feat I can recall off the top of my head is when Heather stopped a commerical airliner from plummeting into the ground with one handSpeed feats: Crusing speed of mach speeds, he also has this move where he suspends his positioning to the Earth while it literally turned under him, allowing him to travel West at high speed depending on his latitude positioning. With this "shunt" Mac reaches up 18.5 miles per second. Escape velocity [mach 32.7] is 7 miles per second [Heather has used this to "teleport" behind Witchfire and defeated her]. Also tapping the full potential of the suit he can go speeds faster than light, he went so fast it sent him 5,000+ years into the past. He's an old bugger now
BB's electron control allowed him to go up against Graviton, mess around with small black holes (IIRC), turn a boulder into antimatter, etc. 🙂
Strength: Meh. BB's been stated to be close to Hulk when he's gone H2H with Hulk, has easily torn a large helicopter in half with a punch, and more. And that's without amping via his powers (which make him MUCH stronger).
Speed: That's impressive, though obviously he wouldn't be going at faster then light speeds for this match. BB's caught up with a space rocket, hit Hulk so hard/fast that he was knocked into (and shattered) a mountain side, asnd turned back into Bruce Banner, and a couple others. Though all he would need to do is shield up at the start of the match.
Any compat speed feats?
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
BB's electron control allowed him to go up against Graviton, mess around with small black holes (IIRC), turn a boulder into antimatter, etc. 🙂Strength: Meh. BB's been stated to be close to Hulk when he's gone H2H with Hulk, has easily torn a large helicopter in half with a punch, and more. And that's without amping via his powers (which make him MUCH stronger).
Speed: That's impressive, though obviously he wouldn't be going at faster then light speeds for this match. BB's caught up with a space rocket, hit Hulk so hard/fast that he was knocked into (and shattered) a mountain side, asnd turned back into Bruce Banner, and a couple others. Though all he would need to do is shield up at the start of the match.
Any compat speed feats?
(Heather and Mac feats are interchangeable as same suit, but Mac is stronger and generates the power himself. So you will see me mentions feats from both)
Haha no way am I saying Guardian's matter manipulation is on par with BB...as well...he doesn't have any 😉 . Iron Man recently went against Graivton and nearly killed him 🙁 He's a Canadian villian too so by logic I have to root for him
Strength: Hey I wasn't the one that said Guardian was stronger 😛 Guardian has done that with spaceships [ripped apart, and flown through]and moved a over 200 ton spaceship with her blasts as well. Heather's suit was able to physically go blow for blow with Wonder Man and she was holding back as she didn't want to hurt him.
Speed: Oh good lord no, he did it on Earth though which brings up question of how is that possible. That's stuff's a meh! but Hulk feat is good, and Heather has actually killed Sasquatch with a single blast.
Yep, Heather used the teleportation trick to defeat Witchfire. Mac also uses the teleportation trick to avoid blasts as well, he can be miles away from the actual blast in a split second. Cheap but effective.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Strength: Meh. BB's been stated to be close to Hulk when he's gone H2H with Hulk, has easily torn a large helicopter in half with a punch, and more. And that's without amping via his powers (which make him MUCH stronger).
BB's bio listings (not necessarily canon) generally rate him at 1 ton strength without amping, and around class 60 when amped...
Guardian's bio (also not necessarily canon) lists him at approx. 3.5 tons strength.
BB does have better overall power, but I still think Guardian will have an advantage with his computer brain giving him better reaction times and ability to evade/counter BB's attacks...
In any case, although I think Guardian can take the majority, I will concede that this fight would likely be much closer than I had initially thought, but it also wouldn't necessarily be a blowout for BB.
Originally posted by King_MungiIt just seemed so badass for him to come out, and defeat a top tier villain, and show massive power as well.
Really? why's that?
Plus, the first time I saw it, I'm all like "Who is that Nazi butt thrusting the Avengers?"
Then I kept looking back, and forward, and finally found out who that was.
Needless to say, I was impressed.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
(Heather and Mac feats are interchangeable as same suit, but Mac is stronger and generates the power himself. So you will see me mentions feats from both)Haha no way am I saying Guardian's matter manipulation is on par with BB...as well...he doesn't have any 😉 . Iron Man recently went against Graivton and nearly killed him 🙁 He's a Canadian villian too so by logic I have to root for him
Strength: Hey I wasn't the one that said Guardian was stronger 😛 Guardian has done that with spaceships [ripped apart, and flown through]and moved a over 200 ton spaceship with her blasts as well. Heather's suit was able to physically go blow for blow with Wonder Man and she was holding back as she didn't want to hurt him.
Speed: Oh good lord no, he did it on Earth though which brings up question of how is that possible. That's stuff's a meh! but Hulk feat is good, and Heather has actually killed Sasquatch with a single blast.
Yep, Heather used the teleportation trick to defeat Witchfire. Mac also uses the teleportation trick to avoid blasts as well, he can be miles away from the actual blast in a split second. Cheap but effective.
Just saying that he has fine enough control of electrons that he CAN matter manip. srug
With his powers, Black Bolt can move a lot more, but on pure strength alone, he's done some impressive stuff.
Well, so long as BB gets shields up right away, he should be all right despite the speed advantage. I HIGHLY doubt that Guardians speed advantage would be enough to one-shot-KO BB as soon as the match started.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Just saying that he has fine enough control of electrons that he CAN matter manip. srugWith his powers, Black Bolt can move a lot more, but on pure strength alone, he's done some impressive stuff.
Well, so long as BB gets shields up right away, he should be all right despite the speed advantage. I HIGHLY doubt that Guardians speed advantage would be enough to one-shot-KO BB as soon as the match started.
noob 😎
Yep no question about that, Karnak couldn't even find a weakness in BB. Guardian though is no sloutch in hand to hand combat either though.
Except not only does Guardian had the speed abilities he has superior reflexes and intelligence.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Alpha_Flight_v1_088_09.jpg
He could potentially take out BB before he gets his shields up. It was enough to do it to Doom, didn't KO him or anyhing but he punked him and showed he could have easily finished him off.
1. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlightv191-18.jpg
2. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlightv191-19.jpg
3. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlightv191-20.jpg
