Woman Wars!!!!!

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Prove Sue bends more than light.

Light is not needed for Storm to see her.

You do not SEE electrons in lightning. What you are infact seeing is the resultant superheated air GLOWING a bluish-white color(sometimes red) which is infact plasma.

"Hyperspace" is in THIS universe . It is simply when you reach speeds faster that the speed of light in THIS UNIVERSE that you reach "hyperspace", nothing more.

Light is not a factor in Storm seeing Sue.

And you also need to prove that it is just "some" energy in which Storm controls.

I refuse to indulge someone who is ignorant in soooooooo many things.

You have the burden of proof since you are the one who presented the claim. You must prove that Storm doesn't need light to see.

I already proved that your argument was faulty by putting it in standard form.

And to know that humans can see electrons (maybe not in lightning-my mistake) with their eyes please ask your local physics professor or

Go here:
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/killer_electrons.html
it clearly says "We see the largest numbers of killer electrons - sometimes a thousand times more - at the peak of a magnetic storm and in the following days."

And you are mistaken what hyperspace is.
Go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperspace_%28science_fiction%29
Even though that isn't probably the definition Marvel uses then we still can say that Hyperspace exists whether you travel FTL or not. Even marvel said Sue and the Celestials draw their power from hyperspace. I don't see Sue flying around faster than light now do you. Thus hyperspace is a seperate dimension that has energy of its own.

Now I'm not perfect and can be wrong at times (I will humbly admit to it unlike some others here) but at least I know a faulty argument when I see one. You are at least guilty yourself of presenting at least one faulty argument. So please correct your faulty reasoning (as I showed in standard form in the previous post) before responding back.

And why do I have to prove it is just some energy Storm controls. You are the one implying it. You have the burden of proof.

And why would it matter that Storm can see Sue. This wouldn't take away any advantage from Sue whatsoever, especially when a bubble can be easily put in storm's brains, or a skintight forcefield around her to implode crush her, or an instant spear through her back, or a dart created in her heart and in which it leaves her body by cutting through it.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
WW and Binary should be able to take out most of the Field as soon as the fight starts.

Since Rogue has absorbed and thus killed the rest of her teamates during prep...she's pretty much the only person on her team. So lets say she starts the fight with her Shields up, She's invisible and She's immune to detection.

Move on to team two. Emma comes into field with a Cerebra. Storm puts up a pressure field around themselves during prep. Possibly produces fog. Team two get taken out fairly quickly via Speedblitz. Electra and She-Hulk can't act as much interference to WW and Binary.

Team 3. Same as above Spider Woman and Deathstrike are pretty much useless. Jean comes into the fight with her shields up. Crystals quite powerful as well. Although they don't have the reflexes to keep up with flying bricks like Diana or Flying Energy bricks like Binary. Classic Jeans shield will get brought down eventually.

Team 4 Wonder Woman does all the work. Polaris puts up a shield...but should get taken out. Batgirl and Mystique not much use here.

Team 5 Holy crap I didn't see Nova and SuperGirl there. Nova as in the Herald Nova? Eh...I actually think it might be between 4, 5 and 6 now.

Team 6 Diana probably does all the work here.

Thing is all Rogue can do is hide and pray there's an opening so she can sneak up on one of the Big 4 SuperGirl, Nova, Diana or Binary. and steal their powers.

Now that I think open it, there is a possibility. If she hides and sneaks up on the rest of the contestant absorbing their powers Team 1 does have a chance. It's just very slim. Especially if one of the Big 4 decides to level the entire area at the beginning of the fight. eg Binary.

That's not much in the Sue Respect Thread. Any issue numbers though?

Why can't rogue put bubbles in their brains?

Originally posted by h1a8
Why can't rogue put bubbles in their brains?

In Diana's possibly..not sure if she even has a brain. I think Kara's bio aura only extends around the outside of her body but her insides are pretty durable as well...so the bubble may not work. Might cause her pain. Should work on Binary but it most probably wouldn't work on Nova's physiology.
You're also still relying on the fact that Rogue can absorb one of the fallen combatants.
I'm not saying team 1 don't have a chance. Just that their chances are quite slim like everyone other then team 4, 5 and 6. If everyone is aware that there are 6 teams in this brawl and aware of who they're fighting as of forum rules then everyone is going to realize that team one is absent from the brawl. That could also cause the Rogue Amalgam to be taken out fairly quickly. In BP Storm made it rain an exposed a Zombie Invisible Women powered Skrull IRRC that way. If Storm does the same here the Rogue Amalgam would be exposed. And could be taken out by on of the big 4 fairly easily. There are too many characters in this brawl to decide a definite outcome. Plus I haven't really taken into account the prep of the other teams...its sort of rushed. Sues Bubble would have to get whatever forcefields are up. Meaning she'd have to wait for Jeans, Polaris forcefields etc to fall.

Originally posted by h1a8
It is in her bios that Sue bends all wavelengths of light. Remember light is a word that is sometimes informally substituted as electromagnetic wave (such as speed of light, etc.).

No, it's not.

"Light" refers to the visible part of the spectrum of which Storm dow not need in order for her to see Sue.

Originally posted by h1a8
[B
You have the burden of proof since you are the one who presented the claim. You must prove that Storm doesn't need light to see.

[/B]

I have proven it.

Storm can see the world with repsect to energy ALONE and not spatial images, thus negating the need of photon absorbtion/reflection.

You countered with an ignorant argument.

In Diana's possibly..not sure if she even has a brain. I think Kara's bio aura only extends around the outside of her body but her insides are pretty durable as well...so the bubble may not work. Might cause her pain. Should work on Binary but it most probably wouldn't work on Nova's physiology.

I think it'd work on Diana...I mean, she bleeds doesn't she? If so, then I'm pretty sure her insides (whether she WAS made out of clay doesn't matter) are pretty human-like and thus vulnerable. Binary sure. Supergirl...eh, I'm not sure. I mean, why would there be a bio field inside her body? I think she only needs one...otherwise it'd just seem silly. Any-who, I'm pretty sure Rogue be able to screw around and most likely kill Kara that way.

You're also still relying on the fact that Rogue can absorb one of the fallen combatants.

The bubble theory doesn't require anybodies powers but her teammates. And since they'll most likely start the battle with Rogue already possessing their powers (otherwise they don't stand a chance), I don't see the problem.

I'm not saying team 1 don't have a chance. Just that their chances are quite slim like everyone other then team 4, 5 and 6.

I don't agree with this. All the other teams (besides 4, 5, and 6) have SLIMMER chances than team 1 has.

If everyone is aware that there are 6 teams in this brawl and aware of who they're fighting as of forum rules then everyone is going to realize that team one is absent from the brawl. That could also cause the Rogue Amalgam to be taken out fairly quickly.

When characters are in the heat of battle, characters usually don't think straight. I'm pretty sure that the other contestants would be worried about their more immediate enemies (the other powerhouses) then somebody they just glanced over and was suddenly gone (via invisibility). If anything, it'd be after they've fought everyone else that they'd gather their wits and realize that one of the teams was missing.

In BP Storm made it rain an exposed a Zombie Invisible Women powered Skrull IRRC that way.

Isn't Storm one of the first taken out in the initial speed-blitz? She doesn't possess any invulnerability or shields. What could she possibly do to survive the first few seconds of the match? I don't see Storm being given the opportunity to rain on Rogue to be able to detect her.

If Storm does the same here the Rogue Amalgam would be exposed. And could be taken out by on of the big 4 fairly easily.

Assuming, of course, that the all the big four aren't otherwise preoccupied with a battle. Which is highly unlikely. Besides, wouldn't making it rain just draw attention to Storm herself? She'd probably be the one to be knocked instead of Rogue.

There are too many characters in this brawl to decide a definite outcome.

Exactly why Rogue has such a huge advantage. There's a lot of ladies there and thus more confusion which gives her more of an edge.

Plus I haven't really taken into account the prep of the other teams...its sort of rushed.

I don't really see the girls bringing in anything significant. Besides maybe Emma and Jean bringing mini-cerebros with them.

Sues Bubble would have to get whatever forcefields are up. Meaning she'd have to wait for Jeans, Polaris forcefields etc to fall.

Jean and Polaris can't hide their forcefields like Sue can, and thus they'd probably be taken out rather quickly, so I don't see how Rogue would have a problem.

Originally posted by h1a8
It is in her bios that Sue bends all wavelengths of light. Remember light is a word that is sometimes informally substituted as electromagnetic wave (such as speed of light, etc.).

No, it's not.

"Light" refers to the visible part of the spectrum of which Storm dow not need in order for her to see Sue.

Originally posted by h1a8

You have the burden of proof since you are the one who presented the claim. You must prove that Storm doesn't need light to see.

I have proven it.

Storm can see the world with repsect to energy ALONE and not spatial images, thus negating the need of photon absorbtion/reflection because it's not bouncing off anything.

You countered with an ignorant argument.

Originally posted by h1a8

I already proved that your argument was faulty by putting it in standard form.

No you didn't

You only proved that you know nothing about human sight.

Originally posted by h1a8
And to know that humans can see electrons (maybe not in lightning-my mistake) with their eyes please ask your local physics professor or

Go here:
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/killer_electrons.html
it clearly says "We see the largest numbers of killer electrons - sometimes a thousand times more - at the peak of a magnetic storm and in the following days."

😂 See, this is shit I was talking about.

They are speaking of the reactions in the Sun.

It's probably like you think we actually "see" electrons in lightning😂

We can see the effects and stuff. It's particle physics and a whole buch a other sutff. Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, the fact that your very presence and the light bouncing off your eyes would influece electron movements.

I am speaking of detecting them individually

If you were to try to look at an electron, the photons from you eyes would interfere with it.

If Storm needed light, her very observation of electron flow leading to the bust of lightning would disrupt the whole process and therefore she would have never learned how to create it.

She's a mutant, not a human.

She doesn't need light to see Sue.

And you are mistaken what hyperspace is.
Go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypers...ence_fiction%29
Even though that isn't probably the definition Marvel uses then we still can say that Hyperspace exists whether you travel FTL or not. Even marvel said Sue and the Celestials draw their power from hyperspace. I don't see Sue flying around faster than light now do you. Thus hyperspace is a seperate dimension that has energy of its own.

"Isn't probably" is not goo enough.

In any event, Storm can work her powers beautifully in seperate dimensions with different physics.

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http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion3iz5.jpg
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Now I'm not perfect and can be wrong at times (I will humbly admit to it unlike some others here) but at least I know a faulty argument when I see one. You are at least guilty yourself of presenting at least one faulty argument. So please correct your faulty reasoning (as I showed in standard form in the previous post) before responding back.

You were wrong.

And it's not "faulty logic", it's simple probability.

And why do I have to prove it is just some energy Storm controls. You are the one implying it. You have the burden of proof.

You made an assertion that she control "some" energy and therfore cannot see Sue because she draws her power from hyperspece.

You have not even proven where/what hyperspece is.

You also have not proven how this would have any baring on whether Storm could see her or not.

And why would it matter that Storm can see Sue. This wouldn't take away any advantage from Sue whatsoever, especially when a bubble can be easily put in storm's brains, or a skintight forcefield around her to implode crush her, or an instant spear through her back, or a dart created in her heart and in which it leaves her body by cutting through it.

Uhh no.

Sue's powers are described as some sort of psionic energy:

http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue20201gr9.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue20202gf6.jpg

As we all know, Storm's powers block psionic energy.

Then there's always the fact that Storm greatly accelerates weather to instantaneous, and she could strike Sue before she even forms a thought.😂

Originally posted by JuliaChangRulz
[B]I think it'd work on Diana...I mean, she bleeds doesn't she? If so, then I'm pretty sure her insides (whether she WAS made out of clay doesn't matter) are pretty human-like and thus vulnerable. Binary sure. Supergirl...eh, I'm not sure. I mean, why would there be a bio field inside her body? I think she only needs one...otherwise it'd just seem silly. Any-who, I'm pretty sure Rogue be able to screw around and most likely kill Kara that way.

You still have Nova though. And Supermans insides are as invunerable as his outsides IRRC...I'd say its the same for Kara. At best you'd cause Supergirl pain. Diana can be hurt by pointy objects...so I'd give you that. Binary is a given.

The bubble theory doesn't require anybodies powers but her teammates. And since they'll most likely start the battle with Rogue already possessing their powers (otherwise they don't stand a chance), I don't see the problem.

The bubble theory won't work on people who have their shields up already. And likewise Jean could probably also render herself and her team invisible by shunting light the same way Sue does. I've seen Psylocke do it before.

I don't agree with this. All the other teams (besides 4, 5, and 6) have SLIMMER chances than team 1 has.

Not necessarily, Team 3 yes because I don't see them building much with prep. But Emma has quite a few resources of her own. If its allowed she could always go and take the blue prints from the HellFire Club's time machine and then use her Frost enterprises company to manufacture it. The HC had x-gene blockers as well. If she built one of those Amalgam Rogue would be screwed. All depends on the scenario.

When characters are in the heat of battle, characters usually don't think straight. I'm pretty sure that the other contestants would be worried about their more immediate enemies (the other powerhouses) then somebody they just glanced over and was suddenly gone (via invisibility). If anything, it'd be after they've fought everyone else that they'd gather their wits and realize that one of the teams was missing.

That's what I've been saying. That's one scenario that could happen. However it doesn't necessarily mean it's the only scenario.

Isn't Storm one of the first taken out in the initial speed-blitz? She doesn't possess any invulnerability or shields. What could she possibly do to survive the first few seconds of the match? I don't see Storm being given the opportunity to rain on Rogue to be able to detect her.

She could be. But like you said the scenario doesn't have to play out like that. If Diana, Nova, Kara and Binary are preoccupied with each other then they may not get a chance to speedblitz anyone. It all depends on the scenario. To many variables to make a concrete decision.

Assuming, of course, that the all the big four aren't otherwise preoccupied with a battle. Which is highly unlikely. Besides, wouldn't making it rain just draw attention to Storm herself? She'd probably be the one to be knocked instead of Rogue.

Which is why I said there too many variable to consider and a million ways this battle could play out. That's one way. The other way it could play out is that one of them realize that there's an invisible enemy lurking around and they take Rogue out.

Exactly why Rogue has such a huge advantage. There's a lot of ladies there and thus more confusion which gives her more of an edge.

That advantage works in everyones favour.

I don't really see the girls bringing in anything significant. Besides maybe Emma and Jean bringing mini-cerebros with them.

I don't think Jean can build a mini-cerebro. But Emma has access to her company which designed most if not all of her tech during her Hellfire days. Unlike Sue...it wouldn't be the same as borrowing from Reed because Emmes would be making the tech herself from scratch.

Jean and Polaris can't hide their forcefields like Sue can, and thus they'd probably be taken out rather quickly, so I don't see how Rogue would have a problem.

Jean can. Polaris probably could as well since she can control EM energy and shunt light the same way Magneto does when he wants to be invisible.

That means Team 1, 3 and 4 could come into this battle invisible.

BTW Wonder Women could get all her weapons during that week of prep. Invisible Diana for the win.

Sue, Jean and Polaris shield their teams buying them time against the powerhouses.
Polaris freezes everyone.
Sue blinds everyone.
While Jean mindwipes everyone.
We are then left with:
Psylocke (blind)
Storm (survives mindwipe due to tp resistance, blind, "can see through "electric sight"😉
Emma Frost (blind, can see through telepathy)
Lady deathstrike (probably surives mindwipe because she's part robot, blind)
Jean Grey (blind, can see through telepathy)
Wonder Woman (blind, can see through magic)
Supergirl (probably survives mindwipe, blind)
Nova (probably survives mindwipe, blind)
Binary (probably survives mindwipe, blind)
the rest are dead.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
No, it's not.

"Light" refers to the visible part of the spectrum of which Storm dow not need in order for her to see Sue.

I have proven it.

Storm can see the world with repsect to energy ALONE and not spatial images, thus negating the need of photon absorbtion/reflection.

You countered with an ignorant argument.

Please take some physics classes or consult with some PHD physicists.
'Light' can refer to the entire electromagnetic spectrum for short.

You haven't proven that Storm can see the everthing in the world with respect to any and all energy ALONE without the use of light . And Sue's powers are not of the world. Why in BP did Storm use rain to see Sue then?

Sue will kill Storm in less than a hot sec. So again it doesn't matter if she can she Sue.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Then there's always the fact that Storm greatly accelerates weather to instantaneous, and she could strike Sue before she even forms a thought.😂

Originally posted by 2damnloud
No, it's not.

No you didn't

You only proved that you know nothing about human sight.

😂 See, this is shit I was talking about.

They are speaking of the reactions in the Sun.

It's probably like you think we actually "see" electrons in lightning😂

We can see the effects and stuff. It's particle physics and a whole buch a other sutff. Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, the fact that your very presence and the light bouncing off your eyes would influece electron movements.

I am speaking of detecting them individually

If you were to try to look at an electron, the photons from you eyes would interfere with it.

If Storm needed light, her very observation of electron flow leading to the bust of lightning would disrupt the whole process and therefore she would have never learned how to create it.

She's a mutant, not a human.

She doesn't need light to see Sue.

"Isn't probably" is not goo enough.

In any event, Storm can work her powers beautifully in seperate dimensions with different physics.

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http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion2dz3.jpg
http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion3iz5.jpg
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You were wrong.

And it's not "faulty logic", it's simple probability.

You made an assertion that she control "some" energy and therfore cannot see Sue because she draws her power from hyperspece.

You have not even proven where/what hyperspece is.

You also have not proven how this would have any baring on whether Storm could see her or not.

Uhh no.

Sue's powers are described as some sort of psionic energy:

http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue20201gr9.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue20202gf6.jpg

As we all know, Storm's powers block psionic energy.

Probability is different than saying such and such is going to happen. Thus your argument is faulty by at least semantics. I never said that Storm couldn't detect hyperspace energy so I have nothing to prove (I didn't claim anything). I am merely saying that you are using faulty reasoning in assuming so. Superman can see through anything except lead. What's so special about lead that he can't see through it? For all we know Sue's powers can be like lead to Storm. I didn't claim much except that humans being able to see electrons in lightning which was wrong. But remember I presented no claim and you did. So it is not up to me to prove your claims are false. Besides, why did Storm use rain to be able to see Sue in BP? And don't tell me it isn't canon because the opinions of the writers count and they certainly think that Storm can't see an invisible Sue otherwise. How's that with your probability?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Then there's always the fact that Storm greatly accelerates weather to instantaneous, and she could strike Sue before she even forms a thought.😂

Sue has a shield up remember?
Plus Sue can create bubbles and stuff nearly instantaneously.
I don't believe Storm can. Storm maybe can create a small weather effect in about a sec tops though. She still have roughly human speed of thought you know as proven on panel.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

The bubble theory won't work on people who have their shields up already. And likewise Jean could probably also render herself and her team invisible by shunting light the same way Sue does. I've seen Psylocke do it before.

I disagree. Sue can create bubble anywhere in space. They just appear there no matter what the outside barrier is. She did this several times in comics already. And probably is not enough to say that Jean will make it happen. For it is still unknown. So we must only go off of one's history of feats along with undeniable logic.

[QUOTE]Not necessarily, Team 3 yes because I don't see them building much with prep. But Emma has quite a few resources of her own. If its allowed she could always go and take the blue prints from the HellFire Club's time machine and then use her Frost enterprises company to manufacture it. The HC had x-gene blockers as well. If she built one of those Amalgam Rogue would be screwed. All depends on the scenario.

She could be. But like you said the scenario doesn't have to play out like that. If Diana, Nova, Kara and Binary are preoccupied with each other then they may not get a chance to speedblitz anyone. It all depends on the scenario. To many variables to make a concrete decision.Which is why I said there too many variable to consider and a million ways this battle could play out. That's one way. The other way it could play out is that one of them realize that there's an invisible enemy lurking around and they take Rogue out.

good point. Its like chess. If such and such openings are played then white can win more. But if some other such and such openings are played then black can win more. That's why there should be a limit to the number of contestants and combatants in these threads.

Jean can. Polaris probably could as well since she can control EM energy and shunt light the same way Magneto does when he wants to be invisible. That means Team 1, 3 and 4 could come into this battle invisible.

BTW Wonder Women could get all her weapons during that week of prep. Invisible Diana for the win.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. Sue can create bubble anywhere in space. They just appear there no matter what the outside barrier is. She did this several times in comics already. And probably is not enough to say that Jean will make it happen. For it is still unknown. So we must only go off of one's history of feats along with undeniable logic.

True.

good point. Its like chess. If such and such openings are played then white can win more. But if some other such and such openings are played then black can win more. That's why there should be a limit to the number of contestants and combatants in these threads.

There is supposed to be a limit IRRC according to KMC Rules. 3 vs 3 is the max.

Mags can do this? He rendered himself invisible before? If so then I have more mad respect for him. Anyway, power to do so is not enough. One must have the know how too. And mags has himself learned many tricks with his powers that he previously didn't know. Meaning that he had the power prior just not the know how. And how do we know that Jean can again?

Yep

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Jeans TK is greater then Psylocke...and Psylocke can do this though I find Claremonts reasoning as to how she did it retarded.
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Shunting telekinetically(Jean) or magnetically(Polaris) shunting Light away from yourself like Sue does is a far more reasonable explanation IMO.

Diana is a bad broad. But how can she see other invisible people when she is? Sue can see the invisible though. Don't think others can.

How does that power of Sues work? If someone is magnetically shunting off the light away from themselves it's a different means of being invisible...so would Sue be able to see them? BTW Won't Diana's eyes of pallas do something here?

Originally posted by h1a8
Sue has a shield up remember?
Plus Sue can create bubbles and stuff nearly instantaneously.
I don't believe Storm can. Storm maybe can create a small weather effect in about a sec tops though. She still have roughly human speed of thought you know as proven on panel.

You're making ignorant claims again.

🙄

Originally posted by h1a8
Probability is different than saying such and such [B]is going to happen. Thus your argument is faulty by at least semantics. I never said that Storm couldn't detect hyperspace energy so I have nothing to prove (I didn't claim anything). I am merely saying that you are using faulty reasoning in assuming so. Superman can see through anything except lead. What's so special about lead that he can't see through it? For all we know Sue's powers can be like lead to Storm. I didn't claim much except that humans being able to see electrons in lightning which was wrong. But remember I presented no claim and you did. So it is not up to me to prove your claims are false. Besides, why did Storm use rain to be able to see Sue in BP? And don't tell me it isn't canon because the opinions of the writers count and they certainly think that Storm can't see an invisible Sue otherwise. How's that with your probability? [/B]

For all we know Sue can't affect Storm at ALL with her powers.

Why did Storm need Hydrogen to make Lightning in space when can do it with a thought using Stars and planets?? Because of writers who are not familiar with her abilities.

This is why I'm on their boards giving them info.

You still have Nova though. And Supermans insides are as invunerable as his outsides IRRC...I'd say its the same for Kara. At best you'd cause Supergirl pain. Diana can be hurt by pointy objects...so I'd give you that. Binary is a given.

I still would consider it as a successful means of attack...after all, two out of the big four are taken out.

The bubble theory won't work on people who have their shields up already. And likewise Jean could probably also render herself and her team invisible by shunting light the same way Sue does. I've seen Psylocke do it before.

Wow, I hadn't even thought of Jean making herself invisible. Hmm...

Not necessarily, Team 3 yes because I don't see them building much with prep. But Emma has quite a few resources of her own. If its allowed she could always go and take the blue prints from the HellFire Club's time machine and then use her Frost enterprises company to manufacture it. The HC had x-gene blockers as well. If she built one of those Amalgam Rogue would be screwed. All depends on the scenario.

I was aware of the fact that Emma could build psi-enhancement technology, but x-gene blockers? Are you sure she's capable of building that by herself?

That's what I've been saying. That's one scenario that could happen. However it doesn't necessarily mean it's the only scenario.

Yes, it is a scenario. But I think it's one of the more logical ones. After all, when do ever see heroes use their full-wits in battle when met with such chaotic situations (ie huge all out brawls like this one)?

She could be. But like you said the scenario doesn't have to play out like that. If Diana, Nova, Kara and Binary are preoccupied with each other then they may not get a chance to speedblitz anyone. It all depends on the scenario. To many variables to make a concrete decision.

So how exactly do we come to an likely answer?

Which is why I said there too many variable to consider and a million ways this battle could play out. That's one way. The other way it could play out is that one of them realize that there's an invisible enemy lurking around and they take Rogue out.

How are they going to detect Rogue? Besides maybe Storm and Supergirl, I don't see anyone else being capable of detecting an invisible opponent that's immune to telepathy.

That advantage works in everyones favour.

What I meant was it's an advantage that works more so for Rogue BECAUSE of the fact she's invisible. As well as anyone else who can turn themselves invisible - like, as you said, Jean.

I don't think Jean can build a mini-cerebro.

*Shrugs* With how long she's been around the machine and how often she's used it, as well as how intelligent she is, you'd think that perhaps she would know. I don't honestly know if she could though, I was just throwing it out there.

But Emma has access to her company which designed most if not all of her tech during her Hellfire days. Unlike Sue...it wouldn't be the same as borrowing from Reed because Emmes would be making the tech herself from scratch.

Agreed.

Jean can. Polaris probably could as well since she can control EM energy and shunt light the same way Magneto does when he wants to be invisible.

Magneto can make himself invisible? Jeez...then why does he always choose to make himself visible and thus give himself away to his enemies? PIS?

That means Team 1, 3 and 4 could come into this battle invisible.

How long can they maintain their invisibility? Is their invisibility as good as Sue's, who's shown to be proficient at it?

BTW Wonder Women could get all her weapons during that week of prep. Invisible Diana for the win.

Heh, WW and all her weapons couldn't do squat to Superman. She still has to fight Supergirl, whose basically Superman's equivalent. She also would have her hands full with Nova. Still...it would greatly increase her chances of winning.

Though...I've got to wonder...how everyone's going to fight if their all invisible and can't detect each other?

Originally posted by JuliaChangRulz
I was aware of the fact that Emma could build psi-enhancement technology, but x-gene blockers? Are you sure she's capable of building that by herself?

Given her resources, the fact that she's quite adept in tech and and machinery and has built quite a lot of her own equipment. And the fact that she's had access to x-gene blockers of different sizes...I say she's well able to do so.

So how exactly do we come to an likely answer?

We don't, ideally this thread would be closed because it breaks forum rules with the amount of characters available.

How are they going to detect Rogue? Besides maybe Storm and Supergirl, I don't see anyone else being capable of detecting an invisible opponent that's immune to telepathy.

Can Sues invisibility block someone from detecting the body heat she's giving off?

*Shrugs* With how long she's been around the machine and how often she's used it, as well as how intelligent she is, you'd think that perhaps she would know. I don't honestly know if she could though, I was just throwing it out there.

She may know how to use it. I doubt she knows how to build it though. Or the first thing about building tech.

Magneto can make himself invisible? Jeez...then why does he always choose to make himself visible and thus give himself away to his enemies? PIS?

More like CIS...Yep

http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=visionandthescarletwitcam4.jpg

How long can they maintain their invisibility? Is their invisibility as good as Sue's, who's shown to be proficient at it?

As long as they can keep shunting the light. In Jeans case if she modifies her structure like Psylocke then "forever"...she only needs to do it once.

Heh, WW and all her weapons couldn't do squat to Superman. She still has to fight Supergirl, whose basically Superman's equivalent. She also would have her hands full with Nova. Still...it would greatly increase her chances of winning.

Her Tiara slashed his neck open...I think I've seen her pwn Supergirl before quite easily.

Though...I've got to wonder...how everyone's going to fight if their all invisible and can't detect each other?

Via the heat given off by their bodies...I guess. Team 2 are the most screwed since they don't really have much of a defence.

Sorry for taken so long to reply. My computer sucks a**.

Given her resources, the fact that she's quite adept in tech and and machinery and has built quite a lot of her own equipment. And the fact that she's had access to x-gene blockers of different sizes...I say she's well able to do so.

Emma, to me, appears to be only skilled and knowledgeable in building technology revolving around telepathy. I doubt she knows how to deactivate the X-gene. She probably had help from somebody else in the inner circle in building the x-gene blocker.

We don't, ideally this thread would be closed because it breaks forum rules with the amount of characters available.

So what's the point of arguing? Not that I'm not having fun mind you...

Can Sues invisibility block someone from detecting the body heat she's giving off?

I think so. Though I'm not completely sure. I DO have bad memory. 🙁

She may know how to use it. I doubt she knows how to build it though. Or the first thing about building tech.

Agreed.

More like CIS...Yep

http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?...rletwitcam4.jpg

*Shakes head in amazement* Maybe Magneto should change his title from Master of Magnetism to Master of being an Idiot...

As long as they can keep shunting the light. In Jeans case if she modifies her structure like Psylocke then "forever"...she only needs to do it once.

Even by comic standards I don't see how that's possible. I mean, really, shunting off light by changing their structure telekinetically...

Anyway, thanks for the info.

Her Tiara slashed his neck open...

Yeah, and didn't he speed-blitz her afterwards? As well as say the only reason he got hurt was because he was caught off guard?

I think I've seen her pwn Supergirl before quite easily.

Well, if Superman can (usually) beat WW, and if Superman's been beaten by Supergirl, then...

Via the heat given off by their bodies...I guess. Team 2 are the most screwed since they don't really have much of a defence.

Yeah, besides Supergirl who else has this power? And if she get's taken out then what?

Anyway, this'll be my last post of the day. See ya another day.