Originally posted by Hercules
Yes Radiation giving you powers is a plot device, cause in reality it would just kill you.I don't even see what point your making, if the laws of Phsyics are different in comics then hey, thats another plot device.
I got the impression you define plot device as for example something that should not happen but it happens to futher the story. If you define plot device as something that happened to further the story then everything is a plot device.
The way I see it is that The MU is another reality with different laws. So to me its like you saying that the atmosphere on Mars is a plot device.
Originally posted by Newjak
You are completely missing the point of this thread aren't you. This isn't a does this happen thread it is a should this happen thread.And the answer is that no these kind of things shouldn't happen through MAs
I dont think im missing the point. Heres the reason why. If we had a thread with Dr Doom in it and somebody said that Dr Doom can build a time machine the same people who say that MAs should not be able to do such and such would not bat an eyelid. If I had a thread where I said that Bulleye can make paper aeroplanes go through windows the same people would not bat an eyelid.
Therefore I am saying that it should happen because if you look at how comic book physics work they enable stuff like this to happen.
You are saying that it happens but it shouldnt. I am saying it happens and it should happen.
Originally posted by AlfheimRead the post above yours
I got the impression you define plot device as for example something that should not happen but it happens to futher the story. If you define plot device as something that happened to further the story then everything is a plot device.The way I see it is that The MU is another reality with different laws. So to me its like you saying that the atmosphere on Mars is a plot device.
I dont think im missing the point. Heres the reason why. If we had a thread with Dr Doom in it and somebody said that Dr Doom can build a time machine the same people who say that MAs should not be able to do such and such would not bat an eyelid. If I had a thread where I said that Bulleye can make paper aeroplanes go through windows the same people would not bat an eyelid.
Therefore I am saying that it should happen because if you look at how comic book physics work they enable stuff like this to happen.
You are saying that it happens but it shouldnt. I am saying it happens and it should happen.
And no this kind of thing shouldn't happen but does.
Originally posted by AlfheimCan this kind of stuff Believably happen without PIS.
What about it?Is that what im saying? Im saying it happens and it should happen and ive given my reasons.
Your reasons consist of its a comic book world so anything and everything should happen. Which is true but that is not the question posed.
The fact is no street level guy should ever be able to fight a class 100 believably or with no PIS.
Originally posted by Newjak
Can this kind of stuff Believably happen without PIS.
Yeah because the laws of physics are different.
Originally posted by Newjak
Your reasons consist of its a comic book world so anything and everything should happen. Which is true but that is not the question posed.
Actually no. Im saying establish what the laws of the comic book world are and then realise what PIS. A human, drowning is not PIS is. Namor drowning is.
Originally posted by Newjak
The fact is no street level guy should ever be able to fight a class 100 believably or with no PIS.
Look lets put it this way is Bruce Banner surviving massive dosages of radiation PIS ie it shouldnt happen?
Originally posted by AlfheimActually the laws of physics aren't that different. Gravity is the same. Lifting a ton is still lifting a ton. the physical world is exactly the same. 😉
Yeah because the laws of physics are different.Actually no. Im saying establish what the laws of the comic book world are and then realise what PIS. A human, drowning is not PIS is. Namor drowning is.
Look lets put it this way is Bruce Banner surviving massive dosages of radiation PIS ie it shouldnt happen?
No class 1 punches effecting someone 100 times as strong is PIS.
And Bruce Banner and his Radiation has nothing to do with a fight 😕
Originally posted by Newjak
Actually the laws of physics aren't that different. Gravity is the same. Lifting a ton is still lifting a ton. the physical world is exactly the same. 😉
They are in some instances for example people get super powers from radiation.
Going into hyperspace does not result in time travel.
Paper aeroplanes going through windows.
Magick exists in the MU.
Human beings are different they have been experiemnted on by Clestials and as stated before the Supreme Intelligence stated that all huamn beings will have vast psionic powers.
I should not have specifically said laws of physics but in general there are alot of differences.
Originally posted by Newjak
No class 1 punches effecting someone 100 times as strong is PIS.
So if Thor got shot by a bullet and was injured would that be PIS.
Is Dr Doom be able to a time machine PIS.
Originally posted by Newjak
And Bruce Banner and his Radiation has nothing to do with a fight 😕
Just answer the question.
I don't think street levelers should ever be able to take CL100s with just their fighting skills. Batman taking out solomon grundy with pressure points is BS since Grundy's durability is extremely high (in any of his forms). Ever had a baby hit you in a pressure point area? It doesn't hurt at all (unless you count the testicles a pressure point!).
Originally posted by AlfheimYou are picking specialized circumstances of which have nothing to do with a physical fight. Especially one with numbers and known items.
They are in some instances for example people dont get super powers from radiation.Going into hyperspace does not result in time travel.
Magick exists in the MU.
Human beings are different they have been experiemnted on by Clestials and as stated before the Supreme Intelligence stated that all huamn beings will have vast psionic powers.
I should not have specifically said laws of physics but in general there are alot of differences.
So if Thor got shot by a bullet and was injured would that be PIS. Is Dr Doom be able to a time machine PIS.
Just answer the question.
We know that people can lift 100 tons. And by th way the Celestials may have experimented on humans it doesn't mean every human can become superhuman or that MA training brings it out.
In general there are differences only in the science department and nothing to the laws of physical which is what fighting is governed by.
And why do I have to answer a question which has nothing to do with this thread.
Originally posted by manjaro
moreso than the punching out, what i find disturbing is the fact that cap on many occasions have withstood a double fisted smash with his shield from hulk, he's also taken shots from namor too. and still remanined on his feet
Yea that's the crazy part! It's one thing to block a hulk hit with the shield, but in that panel hulk was smashing cap from above! Which means Cap's legs must have been able to fight off around 1000 or so tons of force!!!!! Are we to believe that the vibranium shield can absorb that much force? So if we dropped a tank on cap, would he survive if he jus held his shield up high?
Originally posted by Newjak
You are picking specialized circumstances of which have nothing to do with a physical fight. Especially one with numbers and known items.We know that people can lift 100 tons. And by th way the Celestials may have experimented on humans it doesn't mean every human can become superhuman or that MA training brings it out.
In general there are differences only in the science department and nothing to the laws of physical which is what fighting is governed by.
And why do I have to answer a question which has nothing to do with this thread.
Ok let me explain they are related for example if human beings have been
A)experiemnted on by The Clestials
B) The Supreme Intelligence has stated that all human beings will have vast psionic powers
C) Humans can gain powers from exposure to radiation
D) Humans can LEARN to have psionic powers and magical powers
This implies that human beings in this world are different. If two things are different do you expect them to have the same results? The above implies that humans in the Mu have far greater potential than the human beings in this world, so therefore you cannot complain when they do things which are not possible in this world.
You cant go to Mars and start complaining about how the atmosphere is different to Earth because Mars is a different planet.
Originally posted by AlfheimExcept humans in the MU are still governed by the normal laws of humans. As since most humans who work hard still do not reach superhuman abilities it is safe to assume that only under special circumstances in which people gain actual powers is this true.
Ok let me explain they are related for example if human beings have beenA)experiemnted on by The Clestials
B) The Supreme Intelligence has stated that all human beings will have vast psionic powers
C) Humans can gain powers from exposure to radiation
D) Humans can LEARN to have psionic powers and magical powersThis implies that human beings in this world are [B]different
. If two things are different do you expect them to have the same results? The above implies that humans in the Mu have far greater potential than the human beings in this world, so therefore you cannot complain when they do things which are not possible in this world.You cant go to Mars and start complaining about how the atmosphere is different to Earth because Mars is a different planet. [/B]
And once again this has no purpose on a fight where the numbers and abilities are known. I fail to see where human potential as a whole helps someone hit harder than a bullet who only possesses one ton strength. Or where a ton shot can actually effect someone who is tougher than a tank.
You why because it doesn't change anything non of that matters and none of the stuff that does happen should.
Originally posted by Newjak
Except humans in the MU are still governed by the normal laws of humans.
No there not...as I explained they get powers from radiation....didnt I explain that.....thats the normal laws of humans?
Originally posted by Newjak
As since most humans who work hard still do not reach superhuman abilities it is safe to assume that only under special circumstances in which people gain actual powers is this true.
You do realise even if its still under special circumstances that they still apply. Even then there are still a considerable number of humans who have taught themselves to have powers. For example there was a normal boy in a X factor annual who learnt to have magical powers in several months, so not its not that special actually.
Oh yeah and all the tibetan monks have superhuman poers as well.
Originally posted by Newjak
And once again this has no purpose on a fight where the numbers and abilities are known. I fail to see where human potential as a whole helps someone hit harder than a bullet who only possesses one ton strength. Or where a ton shot can actually effect someone who is tougher than a tank.
Ok i'll try and explain this as simple as I can. The fact of the matter is human beings in the MU are different. Again, if human beings can:
a) Learn to have magical and psionic powers
b)Will have vast psionic powers in the future
c) Can gain powers from radiation.
Tell me what is the difference between a real human and an MU human? The difference is.....they have much more potential.
Now that we have established that human beings have much more potential, you cant complain when human beings can do things like hit faster than a bullet. Simple.
Yes it is posible
One thing about Captain America's shield-it absorbs kinetic energy-the vibranium will absorb it,so theoreticly(i think it happened) cap can jump off a 30 story builing and land on his shield he would not feel a thing,it is why he can take a pounding from hulk and others without getting tossed a mile
Originally posted by starlock
Yes it is posibleOne thing about Captain America's shield-it absorbs kinetic energy-the vibranium will absorb it,so theoreticly(i think it happened) cap can jump off a 30 story builing and land on his shield he would not feel a thing,it is why he can take a pounding from hulk and others without getting tossed a mile
Not forgotting that his body is also as tough as kevlar and hes wearing kevlar.
Originally posted by starlock
Yes it is posibleOne thing about Captain America's shield-it absorbs kinetic energy-the vibranium will absorb it,so theoreticly(i think it happened) cap can jump off a 30 story builing and land on his shield he would not feel a thing,it is why he can take a pounding from hulk and others without getting tossed a mile
Doesn't really help if someone grabs him and just throws him out of the fight.
Originally posted by AlfheimYou still do not get it do you.
No there not...as I explained they get powers from radiation....didnt I explain that.....thats the normal laws of humans?You do realise even if its still under special circumstances that they still apply. Even then there are still a considerable number of humans who have taught themselves to have powers. For example there was a normal boy in a X factor annual who learnt to have magical powers in several months, so not its not that special actually.
Ok i'll try and explain this as simple as I can. The fact of the matter is human beings in the MU are different. Again, if human beings can:
a) Learn to have magical and psionic powers
b)Will have vast psionic powers in the future
c) Can gain powers from radiation.Tell me what is the difference between a real human and an MU human? The difference is.....they have much more potential.
Now that we have established that human beings have much more potential, you cant complain when human beings can do things like hit faster than a bullet. Simple.
Not all humans get powers from radiation hence why Nulcear Bombs and fallout are still very bad. It isn't like the whole world gets exposed to the Radiation and everyone gets powers.
And you are trying to compare learning magic to teaching a body to punch harder than a bullet and you do not see the difference 😬
Humans in MU are not different hence why the Stamford thing happened. Why normal humans need Superheroes to protect them. Why Olympic athletes are not better than real life Olympic athletes.
What humans could be in the future has no relevance to what they are now.
And yes I can complain because the numbers have already been quantified for us. The person life a ton so unless a bullet in MU is weaker than a real life bullet than their is no mathematical way for a one ton person to hit with the force of a bullet.
Edit: And not only do these things happen in Marvel they also happen in DC