Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but you have to remember, the thing that stopped him was also the thing that Thor used against Galactus and a Celestial.
that's all I'm interested in, getting over this ridiculous "unstoppable" bs, from a character who is basically a puppet of another character.
some of the more powerful versions of Thor would probably destroy juggernaut.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Good analogy with a slight twist. You can get a near unlimited supply of water from the hose. Thors Godblast doesn't last that long.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
All he did was push juggy back a bit without hurting him. Considering that Thor had to BFR him immediately after juggs was surprised the ground broke...I'd say it's definitely not unlikely.
Originally posted by batdude123So, tell me, how often does he use this power against opponents?
Actually, to be perfectly honest, Superman uses his “super voice” quite often in comics. Hell, Supergirl used a sonic whistle to reverse the effects of an earthquake. It really isn’t as “unused” as you think.
Originally posted by batdude123Either way, I really don't see him lasting.
It sounds more like “can Superman withstand the scream,” implying that he’s going to get blasted to see if he can take the punishment.
Originally posted by batdude123And... he's doing this in the time it takes for BB to scream a foot away, right?
How? By mimicking the effects of a sound proof room. Superman can generate white noise with his voice as I’ve mentioned to you before. White noise has control over all frequencies, and the signal power is infinite. Actually, it’s unclear whether it converts, absorbs, redirects, (etc.) sound, but it’s shown that it makes sound frequencies null… just like a sound proofed room.
Originally posted by batdude123If it's so obvious, then when did he use his voice against these walls, exactly?
Obviously… otherwise the first eighteen years of the character’s history would be completely pointless. I’m not saying that Superman would do this if they encountered each other in a comic… I’m merely pointing out that for the sake of forum fights, and because he’s demonstrated frequency control over his voice plenty of times, it’s probable.
Originally posted by batdude123Surfer always uses his powers though.
Not anymore than Superman uses his unusual powers. Surfer displays a minuscule amount of his overall versatility in comics… yet posters still bring up in fights his one-showing feats he has.
Surfer's "unusable" powers talked about on the forum, are things he does "usually" (talking about ones brought up a lot), how often does Superman employ his white noise?
Also, people bringing up shit like him turning people into stone are kind of bullshit in the forum, so I won't use them.
Originally posted by batdude123Thor fought BB with his hammer, while BB fought Thor h2h...😐
I believe Thor has done it before.
Although, I don't remember the exact context...
Originally posted by batdude123I don't care.
By that logic, Surfer can only fly around on his board and use energy blasts, because that’s how he’s consistently portrayed in fights. We both know that in forum fights, combatants use their powers creatively and posters think outside the box when debating a match. Besides, if we followed “CIS” in a completely strict manner, we could never have a fight like “Dr. Strange vs. Wong” (bad example, I know) because they wouldn’t fight each other.
Character stupidity, not "who would fight who".
It's how they fight, not who they fight.
Also, following your logic, Iron Man would never fight Cap either... wait!
Originally posted by batdude123Wasn't that Blue?
And Superman is faster than Black Bolt. Superman has vibrated through an energy blast from point blank range. He can react in a similar fashion with his voice.
Also, I talking about BB's voice, not exactly the character.
I could see Superman reversing Hulk's punch a millimeter away, but BB's voice, which goes way faster, would be hundreds of times harder to dodge/reverse/etc, at even a foot away.
Originally posted by carver9It's obvious that Batman kicked him through the wall.
Now this is a beautiful scan. Lets see what black canary scream does to superman. He look hurt to me and black bolt scream>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>black canaryhttp://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=268224131rv.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=334997161wi.jpg
I better go read that comic again...
Originally posted by darthgoober
But that's a completely different argument. I'm not saying that Juggs couldn't outlast the GB, I'm saying he couldn't overpower it. Eventually, yeah Thor would have gotten tired and been unable to continue with the blast. But Juggs still wouldn't have overpowered the GB, just outlasted it
Looks like we've been looking at the same thing from a different angle then. For me...the godblast ended and Juggy would have kept kept walking towards Thor if the ground did not break out underneath him. As he took the duration of the blast and was obviously in fighting condition to easily keep going..I consider it as him taking the GB.
Originally posted by darthgoober
's still no evidence or even anything that really suggest that he'd have been able to actually overpower the GB.
That is a whole other argument...were the godblast a much longer near unlimited lasting blast...then yes...there is no proof either way. It would be the old irresistible force vs immovable object debate.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
So, tell me, how often does he use this power against opponents?
Not as much as say... his punches, obviously. 😂 However, enough to make it a viable tactic in forum battles.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Either way, I really don't see him lasting.
Supes would be in trouble.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
And... he's doing this in the time it takes for BB to scream a foot away, right?
Sure. He can see the waves emitted, and plan accordingly. We both know how fast his reflexes are. He sees electrons circling around an atom in slow motion.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
If it's so obvious, then when did he use his voice against these walls, exactly?
The thing is, I don't really have a problem with shit feats like these, what I do have a problem with, is him using it, in the time it takes for BB to scream a foot away.
Not to mention that Superman also has to think about using the powers before using it...
BB has used it against the walls, yes. His father had to make sure his voice would be dampened or completely void before locking him in the sound proof room. That was one of the reasons why Medusa and BB made their own sign language. So they could communicate while he was in there.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Surfer always uses his powers though.
Absorbtion, cosmic awareness, etc.
But, when he does things like turning people to stone, or bringing them through time, then that would be essentially unusable.
Sure, but this isn't exactly a one-use only power for Supes.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Surfer's "unusable" powers talked about on the forum, are things he does "usually" (talking about ones brought up a lot), how often does Superman employ his white noise?
It's simply a part of Superman having complete control over the frequency of his voice. I think they've even tried to explain that that's the reason why he can "speak" in space (yeah... even though EVERY character does it 😂 ).
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Also, people bringing up shit like him turning people into stone are kind of bullshit in the forum, so I won't use them.
I agree.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Thor fought BB with his hammer, while BB fought Thor h2h...😐
I could've sworn they had a fight in which Thor absorbed Black Bolt's voice into the hammer.
Although, I don't remember the exact context...
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Character stupidity, not "who would fight who".
It's how they fight, not who they fight.
Also, following your logic, Iron Man would never fight Cap either... wait!
The definition of CIS, is that a character would act accordingly in a situation (or fight) like he would in the comics. If that were the case, you can bet your ass that Superman wouldn't kill or even fight Batman (under his own volition).
But, we've both used creative powers for characters we've debated for in the forums. All posters think outside the box, and it's understood that characters are going all out and using their powersets in an efficient manner.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Wasn't that Blue?
Also, BB's voice would be going in an extremely wide radius.
A lot bigger than a mere energy blast.
Nope. Superman did that in a fight against Doomsday Rex.
The white noise has power over all frequencies, and is generated to spread out. The size or width of Black Bolt's scream really makes no difference.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Also, I talking about BB's voice, not exactly the character.
I could see Superman reversing Hulk's punch a millimeter away, but BB's voice, which goes way faster, would be hundreds of times harder to dodge/reverse/etc, at even a foot away.
Faster than Hulk, yeah, but I doubt it goes even close to the speed of light though.
Originally posted by batdude123
Not as much as say... his punches, obviously. 😂 However, enough to make it a viable tactic in forum battles.
Originally posted by batdude123And has to think about it, etc...
Sure. He can see the waves emitted, and plan accordingly. We both know how fast his reflexes are. He sees electrons circling around an atom in slow motion.
Originally posted by batdude123When?
BB has used it against the walls, yes. His father had to make sure his voice would be dampened or completely void before locking him in the sound proof room. That was one of the reasons why Medusa and BB made their own sign language. So they could communicate while he was in there.
Well, the second part, kind of negates that, now doesn't it?
The part about sound proof walls working, since he was also dampened even if he screamed in there...
Now, I don't even see how it's relevant about bringing up the sound proof room...
Originally posted by batdude123Neither is Surfer taking someone through time.
Sure, but this isn't exactly a one-use only power for Supes.
Originally posted by batdude123So, how much does he use the white noise, anyway?
It's simply a part of Superman having complete control over the frequency of his voice. I think they've even tried to explain that that's the reason why he can "speak" in space (yeah... even though EVERY character does it 😂 ).
Originally posted by batdude123Don't recall.
I could've sworn they had a fight in which Thor absorbed Black Bolt's voice into the hammer.Although, I don't remember the exact context...
Originally posted by batdude123The bloodlust rule, kind of nulls that argument...
The definition of CIS, is that a character would act accordingly in a situation (or fight) like he would in the comics. If that were the case, you can bet your ass that Superman wouldn't kill or even fight Batman (under his own volition).But, we've both used creative powers for characters we've debated for in the forums. All posters think outside the box, and it's understood that characters are going all out and using their powersets in an efficient manner.
I know, but one-time feats are dumb to think that they will use it.
Originally posted by batdude123That wasn't an energy blast...
Nope. Superman did that in a fight against Doomsday Rex.The white noise has power over all frequencies, and is generated to spread out. The size or width of Black Bolt's scream really makes no difference.
I'm not talking about the white noise, I'm talking about Superman vibrating through BB's voice.
Originally posted by batdude123Maybe, maybe not, but it's still f*cking fast to think, and then react to a foot away.
Faster than Hulk, yeah, but I doubt it goes even close to the speed of light though.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Him nulling people's voices?
Him using his "super voice."
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
And has to think about it, etc...
It really doesn't seem right, quite honestly.
Meh. All I'm saying is that it's quite probable and logical.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
When?Well, the second part, kind of negates that, now doesn't it?
The part about sound proof walls working, since he was also dampened even if he screamed in there...Now, I don't even see how it's relevant about bringing up the sound proof room...
When they had to make sure he wouldn't be a threat to the community in the room. He wasn't while he was in there. As a kid, Black didn't really know how to control his voice (seems simple enough, right?... lol). They let him out only when he could "control his power" better.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Neither is Surfer taking someone through time.
But, it still shouldn't be a viable tactic...
And Superman uses his frequency controlling voice powers quite a bit more often than Surfer does that.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
So, how much does he use the white noise, anyway?
He's used it a couple of times. It's also been stated that he has power over any frequency and can project his voice on any frequency. "White noise" is simply a master frequency.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Don't recall.
Meh.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
The bloodlust rule, kind of nulls that argument...
Yeah, and that also makes it viable for them to use everything in their bag of tricks.
Superman has a better understanding of his power set than we do. If he encountered a certain situation, we can be damn sure that he'd use that to his advantage.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I know, but one-time feats are dumb to think that they will use it.
And yet everyone uses them, now don't they?
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
That wasn't an energy blast...
Yeah it was.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I'm not talking about the white noise, I'm talking about Superman vibrating through BB's voice.
I think you misunderstood what I meant earlier. I meant he could react in a similar manner with "his" (as in, his own... Superman's) voice. Not Black Bolt's. 😮
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Maybe, maybe not, but it's still f*cking fast to think, and then react to a foot away.
Sure it is. But if you'd want someone to do that, you'd pick Superman.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
I meant, given the opportunity... I thought I made that obvious enough... 😬
Perhaps... but he'd have to have knowledge of Superman's aura.
Even then, a magical skyfather failed to break down Superman's bio-aura completely. I'm not so sure Black Bolt could "pick apart" Superman's aura.
