Black Bolt's Scream vs. Superman

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
No. it doesn't retcon anything. And here's why. 😛 Day of Vengeance ended the 9th age of magic. The 10th age is now beginning. And ever since then, the rules of magic have changed. They actually go way out of their way to point that out in Trial of Shazam. Milke scanned the first 7 issues for us. 😄

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Characters can be stronger than Hulk.

😠 Never! I will not accept such a claim!

Originally posted by carver9
When has this happened with the speed feat and superman is far away from being a herald. He can do close to the things that a herald can do. He is a powerful earth bound being though but aint close to being anything cosmic.

Really? 'Cause Brainiac seems to think Superman is a cosmic being.

I'll take his word on Superman over your dumbass anyday of the week.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer has superman powers plus interest. The weakest herald has superman powers plus interest.

So you think Terrax or Air Walker beats Superman? Interesting...

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
But Achilles' gift wasn't changed as an effect of the day of magic.... they said that he didn't give courage, because courage is an intangible gift. They talked about it as if this is how it always was.

The appearence of the gods and the way they work has changed. Not to mention the 'council of merlin' mentioned they used to have different powers in the last age. Plus, there's more than one achilles, so maybe they just snagged a different one? shrug

Originally posted by batdude123
So you think Terrax or Air Walker beats Superman? Interesting...

Are you surprised by any of this?

Originally posted by long pig
Not well beyond, if at all. And that was just a random high number. It's more like possibly millionsx FTL.

Superman flew from Vega to Metropolis in minutes. Vega is 25.3 light years away from Earth.

Flew light years in under three hours while being exposed to red sun radiation.

Etc.

Originally posted by long pig
Just because he may beat a few herald doesn't make him as powerful. Hell, he's no where near as powerful.

Versatility is an arbitrary and stupid way of looking at power, Piggy. Versatility does not, nor ever = raw power.

If that were the case, Iron Man would be more powerful than the General, the Hulk, or even Black Bolt. Or, Silver Surfer would be more powerful than Thanos.

Superman is easily just as powerful as the top herald level guys. You couldn't be Earth's most powerful bastard if that weren't the case.

By your logic... Superman shouldn't be beating half the people he usually does on a regular basis. haermm 🙄

Btw... just to piss you off... Superman has pwned Orion before as well. 😖mart:

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Are you surprised by any of this?

Can't really say that it does.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman says that cap has the advantage over him because of magic and cap bust superman nose.
http://img139.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=11fc3_capvsupes4b.jpg
http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=4a22e_capvsupes4c.jpg

That was after battling through an entire guantlet of heroes and villains, and with a giant asteroid of kryptonite heading for Earth.

Even with all that, Superman still looked better in the fight than Captain Marvel did.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
My god; I can't believe I really have to elaborate on an exaggeration that was purely made to point out the flaw in speculating could-have-should-have-would-haves without any real justification. Did I say I made a plausible example? No.

Characters can be stronger than Hulk.
Characters can be stronger than Apocalypse.
Storm cannot make sun lasers.
I highly doubt Thanos actually fears Hulk.

Saying something does not equate to doing something. A villain's own proclamation that he would have won means jack.

What's on panel? Juggernaut was stopped and/or pushed back. He needed to regain his forward momentum. He was straining in the process to regain it, i.e. he had not successfully regained it.

Originally posted by long pig
No, no. I realize all this and I still say he's not herald level. I say this mainly to piss off avalon, but I also sorta believe it, too. So, there.

No matter manip
No 1000x lightspeeds
No time manip.
No energy manip.
No Herald.

Why would what you say piss me off?

Actually, I find it funny that you use your time to attempt to though.

Besides...we all know Supes is above Herald level.
🙂

What would happen if Superman screamed at Black Bolt?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not willing to accept ANY of those, because they're all BS. It's like asking me whether I'd rather stick my hand in a lawnmower or a blast furnace, when I don't like EITHER option.

No. They're are all BS to you because you really want to believe that Juggs wouldn't just have to have continued to walk considering he was unhurt and still quite raring to go.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not the likely scenario, the logical scenario. Asgardians are vulnerable to Asgardian Weapons whether they've been stated to be magical or not. Elves have always been regarded as inherently magical creatures that have close ties to the Asgardians, so it's not really that big of a deal to me that Elven weapons can hurt Asgardians.

So AGAIN...

So in other words..you are ASSUMING the logical scenario.

But since it suits you better...why not try to shoot mine down while trying to emphasize your even less likely scenario.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
No. They're are all BS to you because you really want to believe that Juggs wouldn't just have to have continued to walk considering he was unhurt and still quite raring to go.

1. Storm's not that powerful.
2. Thor shouldn't be put down by a gun.
3. There's absolutely NO evidence to support the theory that Juggernaut would've gained his forward momentum. The only things we know about it are that Juggs was stopped and pushed back, and then the ground gave way. There's nothing but speculation to suggest that Juggs would've been able to regain control over his momentum(in fact he was leaning back right before the ground gave way, which seems like an indication he was about to fall over backwards).

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind

So in other words..you are ASSUMING the logical scenario.

But since it suits you better...why not try to shoot mine down while trying to emphasize your even less likely scenario.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No they're BS because...

1. Storm's not that powerful.
2. Thor shouldn't be put down by a gun.
3. There's absolutely NO evidence to support the theory that Juggernaut would've gained his forward momentum. The only things we know about it are that Juggs was stopped and pushed back, and then the ground gave way. There's nothing but speculation to suggest that Juggs would've been able to regain control over his momentum(in fact he was leaning back right before the ground gave way, which seems like an indication he was about to fall over backwards).

1. I know...was making fun of someone else's "sarcasm."
2. Definitely a very PIS moment.
3. Was Juggs hurt? No. Was he ready to keep going? Yes.
That logically implies that he was ready to keep on going in spite of being slowed down. The ground broke and Thor BFR'd him. If he was going to be put down...why bother to BFR him asap?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not saying my theory on the elven arrows is the right one, because it could be another instance of PIS(like Supes and the Gas Station). The difference is that I'm trying to find a logical explanation for something that we KNOW happened, and you're trying to speculate about what MIGHT have happened.

No matter how you try to paint it, it comes down to the same thing.
I reworded it a bit because maybe you didn't understand..maybe now you'll see what I meant.

Originally posted by Mindship
What would happen if Superman screamed at Black Bolt?

Did you see what Supergirl did when she screemed? It was insane. Superman would be better. BB would be mush.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
3. Was Juggs hurt? No. Was he ready to keep going? Yes.
That logically implies that he was ready to keep on going in spite of being slowed down. The ground broke and Thor BFR'd him. If he was going to be put down...why bother to BFR him asap?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind

No matter how you try to paint it, it comes down to the same thing.
I reworded it a bit because maybe you didn't understand..maybe now you'll see what I meant.

Originally posted by Mindship
What would happen if Superman screamed at Black Bolt?

this is reading like a prison drama...

at least one thing's proven now, Juggernaut is not "unstoppable".
well, we already knew that with the slapping that War Hulk gave him, but certain people had some seriously stoned takes on that (juggernaut 'tripped'...).

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm READY to get a million dollars, it doesn't mean that I'm gonna. I'm not saying that Thor HURT Juggs with the Godblast, I'm saying that the GB stopped Juggs and forced him back. I can slowly push back a five year old with a powerful enough water hose without hurting them while they scream that they're going to win, it doesn't mean that they're eventually going to overpower the flow of water.

Good analogy with a slight twist. You can get a near unlimited supply of water from the hose. Thors Godblast doesn't last that long.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Unless you're just saying that Juggs MIGHT have overcome the GB then I still don't agree. Until it's proven that he WOULD have, it's all just speculation and that's not a good thing to base an argument off of.

All he did was push juggy back a bit without hurting him. Considering that Thor had to BFR him immediately after juggs was surprised the ground broke...I'd say it's definitely not unlikely.

Originally posted by janus77
at least one thing's proven now, Juggernaut is not "unstoppable".
well, we already knew that with the slapping that War Hulk gave him, but certain people had some seriously stoned takes on that (juggernaut 'tripped'...).