Superman and the Omega Effect.....Where's the scan. · Comic Books

darthgoober Senior Member

Superman and the Omega Effect.....Where's the scan.

Ok a reoccurring topic in just about any Darkseid thread is that Superman was actually protected by the Source from being erased by the Omega Effect. I've been trying to track down proof of that claim for months now to no avail, so I decided to make a thread dedicated to the subject. So I gotta know, where has it actually been stated on panel that the only reason Supes survived the OE was because he was protected by the Source? I know it was established that Supes IS essential to the universe by Alexander Luthor and Mxy, but where do they(or anyone else for that matter) actually state that Supes position in the universe is what kept him from being erased?

Scans would be nice and time saving, but I'm more than willing to settle for the issue/arc where it's established.

Soljer Beware my Power

They don't.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Soljer
They don't.

So Supes being protected is just "Forum Talk" to cover up the fact that someone survived the OE through sheer durability?

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King

Originally posted by darthgoober
So Supes being protected is just "Forum Talk" to cover up the fact that someone survived the OE through sheer durability?

Basicly. However durability should really have nothing to do with resisting the OE anyway.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Basicly. However durability should really have nothing to do with resisting the OE anyway.

Hey there's a LOT of stuff of DS's that I find to be BS, but I still have to hear about it in everyone of his damn threads. Now at least I(and anyone else who unfortunately believed the hype) know that it IS possible to resist the OE, whether you're "essential to the universe" 🙄 or not.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey there's a LOT of stuff of DS's that I find to be BS, but I still have to hear about it in everyone of his damn threads. Now at least I(and anyone else who unfortunately believed the hype) know that it IS possible to resist the OE, whether you're "essential to the universe" or not.

Darkseid once mentioned that "the source has a plan" for Superman, but it's never been stated as to why he's able to take the omega when others of his 'calibre' cannot do the same. It's only speculated by some that this is indeed the reason.

Avalonofthewind Godot Brew#107

In all honesty, I find that to be pure forum talk. I've read a LOT of Superman and have never seen it stated that the source protects him from the OE.

My theory? I believe his relationship with Kismet is what protects him. After all, she embodies all possibilities in the uni/multiverse and ever since Superman combined with her..he's been able to resist the OE.

Kismet has stated that her and Clark have a special bond which cannot be broken.

At least I believe this makes more sense and it's closer to what is stated on panel.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Juntai
Darkseid once mentioned that "the source has a plan" for Superman, but it's never been stated as to why he's able to take the omega when others of his 'calibre' cannot do the same. It's only speculated by some that this is indeed the reason.

So then it IS possible that someone like Thor or Surfer could survive the OE too?

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey there's a LOT of stuff of DS's that I find to be BS, but I still have to hear about it in everyone of his damn threads. Now at least I(and anyone else who unfortunately believed the hype) know that it IS possible to resist the OE, whether you're "essential to the universe" 🙄 or not.

However, Superman IS essential to reality.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by darthgoober
So then it IS possible that someone like Thor or Surfer could survive the OE too?

Who knows? They'd have no more or less of a shot than anyone else. Most people are defeated by them in one manner or another, whether it's turning them into a human child, wipeout beams, knockout with concussive force, some kind of other transmutation, etc, etc, etc.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
In all honesty, I find that to be pure forum talk. I've read a LOT of Superman and have never seen it stated that the source protects him from the OE.
My theory? I believe his relationship with Kismet is what protects him. After all, she embodies all possibilities in the uni/multiverse and ever since Superman combined with her..he's been able to resist the OE.
Kismet has stated that her and Clark have a special bond which cannot be broken.
At least I believe this makes more sense and it's closer to what is stated on panel.

Then using your theory, it's especially possible that Surfer would be able to resist the OE as well, since it was established by LT that Surfer has a special place in the Universe as the "opposite" of Galactus, and that he is "unique" in all the universes.

Validus Senior Member

I wish people would cut the bs and pleasantries. Superman survives the OE because he's more powerful than DS lately.

DS rarely goes one on one with any other hero so it remains to be seen how they'd take them. Firestorm blocked them in the Pre Crisis days and so did a GL right before he was about to take it to DS with a god damn shovel.

Avalonofthewind Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by darthgoober
Then using your theory, it's especially possible that Surfer would be able to resist the OE as well, since it was established by LT that Surfer has a special place in the Universe as the "opposite" of Galactus, and that he is "unique" in all the universes.

Maybe. Not sure about SS...but I believe it lends credence that perhaps Warlock may be able to "resist" it.

Originally posted by Validus
I wish people would cut the bs and pleasantries. Superman survives the OE because he's more powerful than DS lately.
DS rarely goes one on one with any other hero so it remains to be seen how they'd take them. Firestorm blocked them in the Pre Crisis days and so did a GL right before he was about to take it to DS with a god damn shovel.

You'd rather have the standard chaotic idiocy of the vs forum?

WrathfulDwarf THE LOOSE CANNON

No, SS is from another reality. Besides, DS already used the OE on SS and melted his skin. SS maybe essential in another reality. But in a universe ruled by Magic...it won't be the same.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by darthgoober
Then using your theory, it's especially possible that Surfer would be able to resist the OE as well, since it was established by LT that Surfer has a special place in the Universe as the "opposite" of Galactus, and that he is "unique" in all the universes.

Superman's however, is not just hyperbole in that sense. Such as when Alexander Luthor was pulling the realities apart and looking at them and their histories, he noticed that ALL realities are directly linked to Superman. "Everything comes from Superman."

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Validus
I wish people would cut the bs and pleasantries. Superman survives the OE because he's more powerful than DS lately.
DS rarely goes one on one with any other hero so it remains to be seen how they'd take them. Firestorm blocked them in the Pre Crisis days and so did a GL right before he was about to take it to DS with a god damn shovel.

Ok please tell me when the shovel incident happened, because that sounds like something I've GOT to see.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
No, SS is from another reality. Besides, DS already used the OE on SS and melted his skin. SS maybe essential in another reality. But in a universe ruled by Magic...it won't be the same.

That comic wasn't cannon so it doesn't count(unless you're wanting to count Surfer beating the shit out of Orion).

Avalonofthewind Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman's however, is not just hyperbole in that sense. Such as when Alexander Luthor was pulling the realities apart and looking at them and their histories, he noticed that ALL realities are directly linked to Superman. "Everything comes from Superman."

Hell..even the relatively obscure Tangent Superman showed up for that party.
Mxy mentioned something to that effect as well.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman's however, is not just hyperbole in that sense. Such as when Alexander Luthor was pulling the realities apart and looking at them and their histories, he noticed that ALL realities are directly linked to Superman. "Everything comes from Superman."

I didn't say that Surfer's place in the universe was the same as Supes, just that he also shared a special place in the Universe so if THAT'S what protected Supes, it's viable that Surfer could resist it also.

But truth be told, I don't think we can really take LT's stance on Surfer as hyperbole anymore than we could Spectre's.

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok please tell me when the shovel incident happened, because that sounds like something I've GOT to see.

Darkseid's respect thread. Jimmy-chan proved that it was BS with some other scans. The damn Guardians threw that GL to the wolves because they didn't want to fight Darkseid.

Also, using Superman as a benchmark is a bad idea. DC goes to great lengths to make it obvious there's something different about him and that he is the core of their universe.

Rather, look at what's happened to everyone else who got hit by the OE. Even freaking Lobo got wasted by it. 😄