Originally posted by darthgoober
That comic wasn't cannon so it doesn't count(unless you're wanting to count Surfer beating the shit out of Orion).
Sure, why not? One fight doesn't translate to beating the shit out of anyone...defeat maybe but not pwned. Besides cannon or no cannon it does give an insight to the discussion. DS used the OE on Galactus...didn't affect him much. Besides SS got choke by T'challa...nuff said.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Sure, why not? One fight doesn't translate to beating the shit out of anyone...defeat maybe but not pwned. Besides cannon or no cannon it does give an insight to the discussion. DS used the OE on Galactus...didn't affect him much. Besides SS got choke by T'challa...nuff said.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Silver Surfer was ALSO able to undue the work of Mxy, so if Surfer's powers are on that level then it must mean that Surfer could solo Supes and DS at the same time.
The shrunken city? Good feat canon or not..but it's nothing that the Eradicator, Brainiac, or possibly the Atom couldn't do.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
For simple things, why not? It was simply a shrunken city.Hardly trapping the Spectre or creating universes.
Also WrathfulDwarf, you should also note that even though DS was able to put Surfer down, he DIDN'T destroy him. Surfer was hurt but conscious and flew away under his own power after the battle was finished. So even if that comic DID count, it actually supports my opinion that Surfer WOULD survive the OE.
Originally posted by darthgooberNo to forget that he hit Surfer from behind...
Also WrathfulDwarf, you should also note that even though DS was able to put Surfer down, he DIDN'T destroy him. Surfer was hurt but conscious and flew away under his own power after the battle was finished. So even if that comic DID count, it actually supports my opinion that Surfer WOULD survive the OE.
Considering that he never resisted the beams before he merged with Kismet I'd say that might have something to do with it. During their fight initially when Supes was hit by the OB and Darkseid said he would die Supes said something like no not this time or something. which implies that before he wouldn't have survived.
Originally posted by Superherovandal
Considering that he never resisted the beams before he merged with Kismet I'd say that might have something to do with it. During their fight initially when Supes was hit by the OB and Darkseid said he would die Supes said something like no not this time or something. which implies that before he wouldn't have survived.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Supes seemed pretty surprised that he was able to pull it off, and if there where that many people capable of the feat I don't think he would have considered it that big of a deal. Not that any of this matters though given the fact that both crossovers in question are non cannon. I just felt the need to point out WHY we don't accept crossovers because WD likes to bring them up.
I would be too. Unshrinking a city on they fly is a pretty decent feat.
It's believable that certain characters can do it as per their abilities.
If Mxy had made a nigh impenetrable wall and Superman punched through it..I wouldn't consider that "negating 5th dimensional magic"..as it would be in his abilities.
SS and Erads have matter manip abilities, Braniac 13 comes from far in the future where tech is basically like magic. Unshrinking a city falls within their abilities just fine.
Originally posted by darthgoober
But again, Surfer was either made into an entirely new universe or made one with the existing Universe so if that's the reason for Supes resisting the OE, then the same would hold true for Surfer.
I thought LT just gave him a preview of Godhood? Somehow I don't see Surfer dying as having any real importance/effect to the MU.
I would still say Warlock has a much better chance due to how he works outside of reality and has hidden from things such as the HOTU and IG during their runs.
Originally posted by Priest
Interesting topic 👆
i guess the superman bing "protected" by the source is BS.
Is wonder woman's bracelets protected by the Source as well?
I prefered the original reason why Darksied wouldn't ever kill Superman with the O.E.; i.e. because a part of he A.L.E. was contained within him.
The ocassions in which Superman has survived the Omega effect, where both written by Joe Casey issues, the same writer who thinks that superman could beat Galactus, if he where to drop a mental block. :w.t.f.:
The only other ocassions in which the Omega effect's power was limited was during the Hunter Prey saga, against Doomsday, and when Wonder Woman deflected the beam with her bracelets. Dan Jurgens (The author of Hunter Prey), has stated that he never considered Darksied the cosmic powerhouse that he was originally intended to be. The other issue was written by Joseph Loeb, the same guy who thinks Captain America could ko the Hulk.
Originally posted by ValidusFirestorm didn't just redirect the OE,
I wish people would cut the bs and pleasantries. Superman survives the OE because he's more powerful than DS lately.DS rarely goes one on one with any other hero so it remains to be seen how they'd take them. Firestorm blocked them in the Pre Crisis days and so did a GL right before he was about to take it to DS with a god damn shovel.
He redirected the Omega Force itself:
T'was an awesome feat for Firestorm, especially when you consider that in the PC days, deflecting/redirecting the OE was extremely rare.... Let alone blocking the damn Omega Force.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer was either made into an entirely new universeor made one with the existing Universe
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I thought LT just gave him a preview of Godhood?
The LT transformed SS into the 616 Universe for a moment.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Somehow I don't see Surfer dying as having any real importance/effect to the MU.
The LT did state that the SS is unique,
in fact,
he acquainted the SS with Himself, they have some kind of incomprehensible relationship to which I just don't know the details to, but It didn't allude to the Surfer's existence being essential though.
I'm just not sure.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
No, SS is from another reality. Besides, DS already used the OE on SS and melted his skin. SS maybe essential in another reality. But in a universe ruled by Magic...it won't be the same.
I saw that scan. If DS really blasted through Surfer's skin like that, Norrid should be dead. Byrne just drew it for effect, to make it look really painful for Norrid.
I don't even try to figure out what DS can do with the OE anymore. We don't know if we are even seeing DS, or an avatar at any given time. 😒
