I enjoy how the Dooku fans come out of the woodwork to justify that Anakin will own any character, since he owned Dooku. That's not the case:
Anakin takes this with not much trouble at all. Maul has nothing at all to trouble Skywalker by this point.
Yes, he does. Dooku lost because Anakin was essentially a hurricane of unstoppable anger and frustration that Dooku literally could not stop. He essentially became a battering ram. Maul is as ferocious as Anakin and rivals him physically, whereas Dooku was neither.
And Maul is not physically stronger than Anakin, quite the opposite actually, if you read the novel it mentions more than once how strong he is in that, not his force powers.
I'm going to let Jollyjim handle this; he's the resident Darth Maul expert. Suffice it to say that Maul is an uber beast as far as his physical might is concerned. He trained under Sidious's regimen which involved pushing his physical and Force-assisted abilities "to the utmost" according to TPM's Visual Guide, where he couldn't improve at all. His physical resilience was such that he could withstand Force lightning and recover near instantaneously to kick some ass.
Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
I love how you automatically label someone as a fanboy for such a trivial reason as saying that since Anakin beat Dooku he could beat Maul, which is true, actually. How very Antediluvian of you, Gideon.
...And I love it how you don't pay attention. I've argued with Kiddo here before, and he's proven himself to be a staunch Dookuist. Furthermore, the tivial reason is not "Anakin beat Dooku he could beat Maul", it's "Anakin will effortlessly curbstomp" Maul because he curbstomped Dooku.
If you've been paying attention, you'll note that I said that Maul would lose this. Anakin is simply better than he is. But Dooku lost due to circumstances that have no bearing on Maul, who is stronger and more physically able than Dooku.
How very stupid of you.
Originally posted by GideonDANG SON YOU GOT SERVED!
...And I love it how you don't pay attention. I've argued with Kiddo here before, and he's proven himself to be a staunch Dookuist. Furthermore, the tivial reason is not "Anakin beat Dooku he could beat Maul", it's "Anakin will effortlessly curbstomp" Maul because he curbstomped Dooku.If you've been paying attention, you'll note that I said that Maul would lose this. Anakin is simply better than he is. But Dooku lost due to circumstances that have no bearing on Maul, who is stronger and more physically able than Dooku.
How very stupid of you.
Originally posted by GideonRidiculous, i don't think that b/c i am some Dooku fanboy. Maul was a good swordsman but not on Dooku's level either, but Anakin beating Maul easily is not b/c he beat Dooku easily.
I enjoy how the Dooku fans come out of the woodwork to justify that Anakin will own any character, since he owned Dooku. That's not the case:
But Dooku lost due to circumstances that have no bearing on Maul,Anakin was a better swordsman than Dooku.
Yes, he does. [/B]What?? What does Maul have that could trouble Anakin?? Anakin is a better swordsman and stronger in the force, Maul has absolutely nothing that could hurt Anakin. And Maul is not physically stronger than Anakin and it would not play into anyway.
DANG SON YOU GOT SERVED!😐
Ridiculous, i don't think that b/c i am some Dooku fanboy. Maul was a good swordsman but not on Dooku's level either, but Anakin beating Maul easily is not b/c he beat Dooku easily.
Is that so? That was convincing. The disparity between Maul and Dooku in terms of swordsmanship is miniscule.
Anakin was a better swordsman than Dooku.
It's all how you define 'better'. Is he as precise or as calculated? No. Anakin won the fight because he became a whirlwind of power that Dooku could not withstand. Dooku was susceptible to that in ways Maul is not.
What?? What does Maul have that could trouble Anakin??
I've already explained, but you would rather sit and deny it.
Anakin is a better swordsman
No one denied this.
and stronger in the force,
No one denied this.
Maul has absolutely nothing that could hurt Anakin.
Incorrect. Maul had the harder training regimen. He's on par with Anakin in all physical attributes, and one would argue that he is - by far - the superior martial artist.
And Maul is not physically stronger than Anakin
Prove it.
and it would not play into anyway.
Prove it. Maul's superior strength and physical ability is what would allow him to withstand Anakin's fury in ways Dooku could not, hence - while Anakin will win this - it will be harder.
And I love it how you don't pay attention. I've argued with Kiddo here before, and he's proven himself to be a staunch Dookuist.
To the point of Rampant Ox? Is Count Dooku his favorite character? Does he think Dooku will beat all? If none of those three things are true, then no. He is not a Dooku fanboy, he is just misinformed.
As for your other points, I can give two sh!ts. I don't care all that much about who wins this, and the general consensus isn't that Maul will win, so I have no reason to debate. I was merely calling you out on the fact that you automatically label someone as a fanboy for something like that.
Originally posted by Gideonreally, how do you figure that?? Dooku went toe to toe w/ Yoda tired and did not get touched, Maul got his saber cut in half and almost beat straight up by a padawan, that 10 years later Dooku compeltly pwned.
Is that so? That was convincing. The disparity between Maul and Dooku in terms of swordsmanship is miniscule.
It's all how you define 'better'. Is he as precise or as calculated? No. Anakin won the fight because he became a whirlwind of power that Dooku could not withstand. Dooku was susceptible to that in ways Maul is not.How you define better?? Well its not that complicated, Nic Gillard did it very simply. Maul if anything would be more susceptible, the move Anakin pulls on Dooku was not excactly just overwhelming him w/ power.
Incorrect. Maul had the harder training regimen. He's on par with Anakin in all physical attributes, and one would argue that he is - by far - the superior martial artist.What the hell does that fact that he can kick better have to do with anything, Anakin would just beat him, hes just way too good in skill, and it would be easier than it was w/ Dooku. Maul was stronger than Yoda, yes, but how easy would that fight be for Yoda, just b/c hes so much better.
I don't have the novel, i remember it metioned more than once how strong he was and im not talking about the Dooku fight, but the point doesn't matter b/c its not about physical strength, Anakin was just way to good with the blade, w/ the darkside in ROTS proably better than anybody in the movies.
Prove it. Maul's superior strength and physical ability is what would allow him to withstand Anakin's fury in ways Dooku could not, hence - while Anakin will win this - it will be harder.
To the point of Rampant Ox? Is Count Dooku his favorite character? Does he think Dooku will beat all? If none of those three things are true, then no. He is not a Dooku fanboy, he is just misinformed.
I don't gauge the depths of fanboyism, Blaxican. I don't care. If someone is offered irrefutable evidence and they simply deny it or ceaselessly argue it in favor of a particular character, that is fanboyism.
As for your other points, I can give two sh!ts.
That doesn't surprise me, since those "other points" were the reasons justified me calling him a fanboy. People tend to ignore that which makes them wrong.
I don't care all that much about who wins this and the general consensus isn't that Maul will win, so I have no reason to debate. I was merely calling you out on the fact that you automatically label someone as a fanboy for something like that.
...And as I've just proven, I didn't "automatically" call him a fanboy. It was based on previous encounters with Kiddo as well as this. Stick to the comic relief and sarcasm, Blaxican. I'm hardly one of Janus's ilk as you so nicely put it, nor do I make a habit of calling people fanboys without reason. My advice would be to pay closer attention before trying to go all Barry Badass on me.
really, how do you figure that??
I can reason.
Dooku went toe to toe w/ Yoda tired and did not get touched,
This is why I call you a Dooku fanboy. There is nothing that remotely suggests Yoda was going full out on Dooku, in fact, there's evidence to the contrary. Couple this with the fact that Dooku couldn't overcome a distracted Yoda on Vjun - a planet steeped in the dark side of the Force - and that RotS proved that Dooku was a master of using the Force to revitalize himself after duels makes me think that is hardly an achievement.
Maul got his saber cut in half and almost beat straight up by a padawan, that 10 years later Dooku compeltly pwned.
Jollyjim or Advent would hand you your ass in ways I can't on this subject, but suffice it to say that Maul was caught off guard by Obi-Wan - who touched the dark side of the Force at that time. And even then, the TPM novelization stated that Maul was still better. In fact, Darthsith19 proved that Maul was wounded or somesuch before the duel with Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan began. Furthermore, the TPM novelization directly stated that Qui-Gon was more powerful than Obi-Wan. Maul owned him. Conclusion: Maul is thoroughly above and beyond TPM Obi-Wan.
How you define better?? Well its not that complicated, Nic Gillard did it very simply. Maul if anything would be more susceptible, the move Anakin pulls on Dooku was not excactly just overwhelming him w/ power.
Pardon? Anakin did overwhelm him with superior physical power. He battered the hell out of Dooku's defenses and defeated him through sheer onslaught; in that respect, Anakin won fairly and he is the 'superior' duelist.
However, Maul reigns supreme over Dooku in all physical aspects, so he is not more susceptible to such moves from Anakin. He is less.
What the hell does that fact that he can kick better have to do with anything, Anakin would just beat him, hes just way too good in skill, and it would be easier than it was w/ Dooku.
No it would not. The RotS novelization stated that Dooku could not meet Anakin strength-for-strength, which was why he had to give ground. Dooku lacked the ability to compensate or match Anakin's sheer physical power. Maul, on the other hand, would have an easier time doing so.
Maul was stronger than Yoda, yes, but how easy would that fight be for Yoda, just b/c hes so much better.
...Yoda's style of swordsmanship is not dependant nor weak when it comes to physical strength. Yoda is similar to Anakin - he becomes a whirlwind of destruction. However, he also substitutes strength for speed, which is why it is near impossible to physically overpower Yoda. Dooku's style and Anakin's style are not as fast as Yoda's.
I don't have the novel, i remember it metioned more than once how strong he was and im not talking about the Dooku fight, but the point doesn't matter b/c its not about physical strength, Anakin was just way to good with the blade, w/ the darkside in ROTS proably better than anybody in the movies.
No, you're missing the point. I'm not denying Anakin is incredibly strong. But Maul is on par with him, if not stronger. He is the more capable martial artist and spent his entire training session improving his physical fitness to the point where he can literally no longer improve. He can't get any better. He pushed his "physical and Force-assisted abilities to the utmost".
Anakin will win, but it will be harder for him to do so in a purely lightsaber duel.
I don't gauge the depths of fanboyism, Blaxican. I don't care.
Obviously. 😐 You should start gauging more often.
If someone is offered irrefutable evidence and they simply deny it or ceaselessly argue it in favor of a particular character, that is fanboyism.
You are... completely correct. However, this:
Anakin takes this with not much trouble at all. Maul has nothing at all to trouble Skywalker by this point.
Doesn't show any fanboyism in it at all, actually. Hell, Dooku isn't even mentioned...
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That doesn't surprise me, since those "other points" were the reasons justified me calling him a fanboy. People tend to ignore that which makes them wrong.
Or... people tend to ignore things that are completely irrelevant to the discussion. But who knows? Maybe it isrelevant in some small way of which I'm not aware.
...And as I've just proven, I didn't "automatically" call him a fanboy. It was based on previous encounters with Kiddo as well as this.
To the point of Rampant Ox? Is Count Dooku his favorite character? Does he think Dooku will beat all? If none of those three things are true, then no. He is not a Dooku fanboy, he is just misinformed.
Stick to the comic relief and sarcasm, Blaxican.
I usually do, this online forum isn't really worth my spending hours ou tof a day racking my brain and forming an argument on why exactly fictional character A can beat fictional character B. I just deviate every once awhile when I see people being assholes. Except for Advent. Her *******'ism is completely off the charts, and my powers are no match for it.
I'm hardly one of Janus's ilk as you so nicely put it,
techincally speaking, I never said you were part of Janus' ilk.
nor do I make a habit of calling people fanboys without reason.
Lately you have done worse, lately you just go around and call people idiots and belittle them. When I first "met" you I respected you because, despite people's idiot debating skillz and own bad attitudes, you restrained yourself from bashing back and keeping a cool head. Lately, however, your posts are riddled with insults, your debates with SW_Legend case in point. You are be becoming like Janus 😬
My advice would be to pay closer attention before trying to go all Barry Badass on me
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Now, this weeks session of psyciatric help is over. Next week, we'll discuss this love triangle between you, Sexy, and Advent.
Obviously. 😐 You should start gauging more often.
I don't think I need to. That would be like comparing a guy who's murdered two people to a guy who's murdered three. Who cares which one's murdered more? Both are murderers, and both should be punished. The only time gauging should be involved is to see which fanboy gets the greater ass-chewing. Suffice it to say I'm restrained.
You are... completely correct. However, this:Doesn't show any fanboyism in it at all, actually. Hell, Dooku isn't even mentioned...
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...And I told you, this is based off of prior arguments with Kiddo. In fact, if you read his continuing rebuttles, it shows a massive fanboy tendancy for Dooku.
Or... people tend to ignore things that are completely irrelevant to the discussion. But who knows? Maybe it isrelevant in some small way of which I'm not aware.
I called him a Dooku fanboy. He is one. He's even basing this entire argument off of his duel with Dooku, or has he posted any other reasons why Maul would lose?
I usually do, this online forum isn't really worth my spending hours ou tof a day racking my brain and forming an argument on why exactly fictional character A can beat fictional character B. I just deviate every once awhile when I see people being assholes. Except for Advent. Her *******'ism is completely off the charts, and my powers are no match for it.
Advent has her special (feared) way of debating that none of us like to face. I was even worried about posting this. 🙁
techincally speaking, I never said you were part of Janus' ilk.
You said it was very Antedivulian of me. Typically, when one exhibits a trait similar to that which you refer, they are that which you refer.
Lately you have done worse, lately you just go around and call people idiots and belittle them.
Ah, no. I make an argument. I don't just say "you're stupid!". In fact, the only person I've called that is LeGenD. I haven't even called Kiddo here stupid.
When I first "met" you I respected you because, despite people's idiot debating skillz and own bad attitudes, you restrained yourself from bashing back and keeping a cool head. Lately, however, your posts are riddled with insults, your debates with SW_Legend case in point. You are be becoming like Janus 😬
There is only so much restraint that a 16-year-old can give. That I managed to do it for 2 years in ways that Janus couldn't amazes me enough. LeGenD annoys me, because I used to be very patient with him.
I thought that Dooku loosing his fight against Anakin was because of Dookus own form II being weak against Anakins Djen So (ore something like that)
Advent and Jollyjim are sure to have manhandled that feat by Obi Wan, I'm sure about that, but isn't the Movie (apart from Lucas) the greatest and most reliable source (highest Canon) and in the Movie Maul gets owned, in the book a entirely different story, also the handbook of TPM says that Obi Wan was close to drawing on the same energies but never actually did so, as for Maul being wounded when was that to have happend to be exact?
Just questions.
I called him a Dooku fanboy. He is one. He's even basing this entire argument off of his duel with Dooku, or has he posted any other reasons why Maul would lose?What?? I did not even bring Dooku in this, you just said i was fanboy b/c Maul would get beat easily. The reason i said was very simple, Maul has nothing to trouble Anakin and the fact that everybody in here would agree with, that Anakin is a better swordsman, and stronger in the force, thats it. The only person being a fanboy is you about Maul, saying that his martial arts training would come into play 😕. Theres nothing really to debate here, we all know who would win, its just whether he would get pwned or put up some fight.
And again how do you "reason" that Maul and Dooku's difference in sabers in miniscule?
...And I love it how you don't pay attention. I've argued with Kiddo here before, and he's proven himself to be a staunch Dookuist. Furthermore, the tivial reason is not "Anakin beat Dooku he could beat Maul", it's "Anakin will effortlessly curbstomp" Maul because he curbstomped Dooku.If you've been paying attention, you'll note that I said that Maul would lose this. Anakin is simply better than he is. But Dooku lost due to circumstances that have no bearing on Maul, who is stronger and more physically able than Dooku.
How very stupid of you.
100% agreed. Anakin wins, no doubt about that, but this isn't an easy fight just because he owned Dooku.
I do believe Anakin can effortlessly defeat Maul, because one of the reasons, is him trashing Dooku. But his victory against Dooku, wasn't just because he was physically more powerful, if that is the case, anyone who is physically strong can defeat Dooku easily and yet, he(Dooku), had no problems dealing with General Grievous, easily the most physically strong fighter in the movies, if he had problem with Anakin, he should have even bigger problems with Grievous and yet he didn't. Anakin won so laughably easy, because of combination of strength, speed, skill, stamina......(his Force reserve is the biggest, i mean, he tires the slowest in the movies), his blows were just so fast and powerful, Dooku didn't have the time to do anything, but to defend for his very life(and Dooku can contend with Yodas sped). Like Gideon said about Yoda, that he becomes a whirlwind of destruction, Anakin is even worst. Dooku got overwhelmed, yea, Maul is more physically more powerful then Dooku and maybe he would do better then Dooku, but not enough, for even a walk in the park defeat. Anakin is just so unstoppable.