Originally posted by Galan007
Meh,If left unchecked, Extant's Universe would sprial backwards in time... This action alone would have taken out the main Universe in DC.
Left unchecked Jaspers warps the Marvel Omniverse, making it his.
Sounds like a stalemate to me. 🙂
Unless the old Fury routine is thrown into the picture.
Extant is a powerhouse btw.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Doesn't necessarily make him more powerful than Jaspers though.Merlyn was able to create Realities from scratch, manipulate Time on all corners, fuse the Omniverse into crystals he had jurisdiction over and as we know, he still wasn't powerful enough stop Jaspers.
Merlyn inherently wasnt that powerful, he just made use of an extremely powerful external energy source, the Phoenix stabilised.
Merlyn never fused the omniverse into crystals, he attuned the life essences of realities throughout Marvel creation into the crystals of his celestial nullifier.
Originally posted by Mr MasterAnd Extant actually created a Universe from nothingness, and created everything in it from nothingness, [a feat we know MJJ could not have accomplished].
Jaspers warped the 616 Universe in it's entirety,Jaspers became the 616 Universe.
So what's your point?
Originally posted by Mr MasterDon't care.
In an Alternate possible Future seen by Cobweb,Jaspers Warped the Omniverse on panel.
This is not a feat.
Originally posted by Galan007
Jaspers never displayed any big time manipulation feats.I won't just assume he could have done more.
If he warps Reality he warps Time.
As we both know Jaspers atleast got to warp the 616 Universe.
Although Extant has done more, I can't say that automatically gives him the win, cause Merlyn did alot more than Jaspers ever did, and yet, Jaspers was more powerful.
I guess within his Warp, Jaspers is all powerful, and as it grows, so does he become all powerful over more territory.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Jaspers warped the 616 Universe in it's entirety,Jaspers became the 616 Universe.
In an Alternate possible Future seen by Cobweb,
Jaspers Warped the Omniverse on panel.
If left unchecked Jaspers could have corrupted the omniverse according to Cobwebs visions. However given that Jaspers was stopped in his tracks and those possibilities never became reality, referring to them and trying to treat them as representative of what the on panel Jaspers is capable of is not a logical move.
You only know of the present and the possible future and nothing of what came in between.
If left unchecked, if nothing moves to stop her, Jubilee could eventually decimate the entire surface of Marvel Earth. 😬
Originally posted by Mr MasterNot always the case.
If he warps Reality he warps Time.
If it was, there would be no need for separate reality and time gems. 🙂
Jaspers never dove into the timestream and warped the future or the past.... He always stuck to the present.
Thus, the reason why I simply won't credit him for any time manip feats.... Because he doesn't really have any on panel.
Originally posted by Galan007
And Extant actually created a Universe from nothingness, and created everything in it from nothingness, [a feat we know MJJ could not have accomplished].So what's your point?
Take it easy,
I'm stating this because as usual we have the Troll that demeans Feats lurking around.
Originally posted by Galan007
Don't care.This is not a feat.
But it certifies his potential, meaning it's not just hyperbole,
Cobweb actually saw it happen.
Anyhow,
Jaspers' great feat is that even Merlyn couldn't stop him,
that speaks volumes.
Originally posted by Galan007
Not always the case.If it was, there would be no need for separate reality and time gems. 🙂
Jaspers never dove into the timestream and warped the future or the past.... He always stuck to the present.
Thus, the reason why I simply won't credit him for any time manip feats.... Because he doesn't really have any on panel.
Precisely.
Who is to say having control of reality necessarily means having control of time? In Marvel they are presented as different aspects. ✅
Originally posted by Mr MasterBut it certifies his potential, meaning it's not just hyperbole,
Cobweb actually saw it happen.
Anyhow,
Jaspers' great feat is that even Merlyn couldn't stop him,
that speaks volumes.
A future possibility certifies nothing about the abilities and prowess of a character in the present.
What was revealed was the present and the future possibility. You have no knowledge of what came in between.
On top of that, that possibility was ONLY a possibility if Jaspers was left unchecked. He was NOT.
Originally posted by Mr MasterMeh,
But it certifies his potential, meaning it's not just hyperbole,Cobweb actually saw it happen.
A good visionary would have known that such an action was never really going to happen, [because we all know Jaspers never became Omniversal].
So where the hell did that vision come from? 😕
Originally posted by King Kandy
If he was "All-Powerful" he could have just erased fury.
The Fury's durability was unparalleld.
The Fury was created to be indestructible by Jaspers' counter.
The Fury was more like a plot device imo.
It's a fact, without the Fury, no one would have stopped Jaspers.
LT and a few other heavy hitters would have.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Fury's durability was unparalleld.The Fury was created to be indestructible by Jaspers' counter.
The Fury was more like a plot device imo.
It's a fact, without the Fury, no one would have stopped Jaspers.
LT and a few other heavy hitters would have.
I think you misstyped something there.
Originally posted by Galan007
Meh,A good visionary would have known that such an action was never really going to happen, [because we all know Jaspers never became Omniversal].
So where the hell did that vision come from?
It came from an Alternate Possible Future, it did happen.
"Here Comes Tomorrow" (Reality 15104) was an Alternate possible Future of the 616 Universe.
It's was set in a Future, that COULD'VE taken place 150 years from now, but never did.
Same thing with Cobweb's vision.
Originally posted by Mr MasterHmmm,
The Fury's durability was unparalleld.The Fury was created to be indestructible by Jaspers' counter.
The Fury was more like a plot device imo.
It's a fact, without the Fury, no one would have stopped Jaspers.
LT and a few other heavy hitters would have.
Fury was created by 238 Jaspers, [the supposed weaker version of MJJ].
But if 238 Jaspers was truly weaker then his 616 counterpart....
How could he have created something which could destroy his much stronger self?
Weird.. lsd
Originally posted by Mr MasterBut it never actually came to pass, [that we saw].
It came from an Alternate Possible Future, it did happen."Here Comes Tomorrow" (Reality 15104) was an Alternate possible Future of the 616 Universe.
It's was set in a Future, that COULD'VE taken place 150 years from, but never did.
Same thing with Cobweb's vision.
So who really cares? 😕