Cosmic Extant vs. MJJ

Originally posted by Galan007
Not always the case.

If it was, there would be no need for separate reality and time gems.

Time and Space are aspects of Reality.

The Reality Gem being used without the rest of the Gems is highly dangerous.

The other Gems support the Reality, much like the Power gives them a boost.

Originally posted by Galan007
Jaspers never dove into the timestream and warped the future or the past.... He always stuck to the present.

That's because he didn't need to,

since he controls Reality, the Future, Past and Present are whatever he wishes it to be.

Originally posted by Galan007
Thus, the reason why I simply won't credit him for any time manip feats.... Because he doesn't really have any on panel.

Cool.

Originally posted by King Kandy
It didn't happen because Phoenix removed it from the timeline... It's a bit different.

Actually it didn't happen because Scott changed his mind about Emma and leaving the School, this prevented that Alternate possible Future from diverging.

Phoenix mind raped Scott in 616, and that altered this "future" where only X-Men exist. 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
since he controls Reality, the Future, Past and Present are whatever he wishes it to be.

That may be your opinion, but it can't really be proven. 😕

Originally posted by King Kandy
How can you say that no one would have stopped him, and then say LT would have stopped him?

I think you misstyped something there.

Well, Merlyn said it himself,

"a new God will place dice with matter, and the Omniverse will fall into chaos"

I threw in the LT, because I'm sure the LT can curbstomp Jaspers.

Originally posted by Galan007
Hmmm,

Fury was created by 238 Jaspers, [the supposed weaker version of MJJ].

But if 238 Jaspers was truly weaker then his 616 counterpart....

How could he have created something which could destroy his much stronger self?

Weird..

It is wierd, but that's the story.

Alan Moore has a website, you can email him and ask any question.

Didn't Mxy pimp slap the Spectre backed by the Presence in World's Funnest?

That shouldn't happen imo, but it did.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Alan Moore has a website, you can email him and ask any question.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Didn't Mxy pimp slap the Spectre backed by the Presence in World's Funnest?

That shouldn't happen imo, but it did.

But was Spectre backed by the Presence?

I saw no evidence that he was, [the whole "sorry boss, I tried" line, isn't good enough]. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
You're saying the past and future were manipulated by Jaspers, just because he controlled the present reality???

That may be your opinion, but it can't really be proven.

There is no past, future or present when you control Reality, there only is now,

because everything that is, is according to your wishes.

Within the Warp's influence, Jaspers controlled those aspects (Time and Space)

but outside of the Warp, Jaspers had no say over those aspects.

In other words,

when Jaspers had warped the 616 Universe, let's say Reality 617 is right next door, Jaspers has absolutely no control over the Time and Space that makes up Reality/Universe 617.

Originally posted by Mr Master
There is no past, future or present when you control Reality, there only is now,

because everything that is, is according to your wishes.

Within the Warp's influence, Jaspers controlled those aspects (Time and Space)

but outside of the Warp, Jaspers had no say over those aspects.

In other words,

when Jaspers had warped the 616 Universe, let's say Reality 617 is right next door, Jaspers has absolutely no control over the Time and Space that makes up Reality/Universe 617.

I refuse to believe he could have, or was doing so.... Just because he manipulated the present reality. 🙂

Apart from Jaspers becoming one with the universe (which many cosmics can do) and Jaspers stating he made the stars in his reality warp, can someone please tell me where its stated that Jaspers warped the entire universe as opposed to just the planet depicted on panel and stated as the scale within the handbooks? 😕

Within a reality warp, physics dont have to apply, time and space dont have to have any meaning other than what the warper determines. Look at the M'kraan crystal for example, It is about the size of a house on the outside where the laws of reality apply, however step inside and its interior is infinite.

Within Jaspers warp whilst on the outside it may have covered just the U.K or even the entire planet, on the inside it could stretch as far as Jaspers imagination would allow. So him saying within his warp that he made the stars, doesnt equate to him having warped the entire universe. Nowhere is that stated or depicted.

On panel when referring to the warp Captain Britain refers only to the damage done to the U.K:

CB: Jaspers, if youre even remotely sane you cant do this.

Jaspers: Im not. I can.

CB: No. Not TO MY COUNTRY.

Title of comic?

Anarchy in the Uk

On panel Roma the Omniversal Guardian refers JUST to how the warp damaged Captain Britains world:

Captain Britain: My sister. My sister and MY PLANET. Whats happened to them?

Roma: Your WORLD is bruised.

The handbooks state that the warp covered the the globe:

Originally posted by Galan007
Why would I do that?

Cause your asking questions I can't answer.

Actually, now that I think about it, I can.

Jaspers 616 could have killed Fury in one swoop,

but now I remember that it was after the Fury had absorbed that computer the size of a huge cave, that Fury became even more invulnerable than he was when he resisted Universal Nullification:

"A MONTH AGO, the transformation would have KILLED IT"

BUT, after "absorbing a Computer the size of a Cave, it LEARNS, ADAPTS"

Originally posted by Galan007
But was Spectre backed by the Presence?

I saw no evidence that he was, [the whole "sorry boss, I tried" line, isn't good enough].

Cool.

Does Spectre have another Boss besides the Presence?

Originally posted by Galan007
I saw no actual evidence of Jaspers controlling Time, even in "his" Universe.

I refuse to believe he could have, or was doing so.... Just because he manipulated the present reality.

As you wish.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Cool.

Does Spectre have another Boss besides the Presence?

But does that mean the Presence was backing him? ❌

Jim Japsers Remade the 616 Universe, end of story.

"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"

"I made the Stars"

Here's the Proof

In Captain Britain's series that came AFTER Jaspers was killed by the Fury,

it's clarified for those that tried to demean Jaspers' Feat.

"Although Captain UK and I defeated the Fury & contained the Jaspers' Warp,

the Continuum was sufficiently damaged"

"Roma informed Linda her anomalous presence on 616,

was preventing the Damaged Reality (Universe) from fully Healing"

(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 Captain UK Bio)

On Panel verification

"Your presence is an anomaly,

that has prevented this Continuum (616 Universe) from Healing"

I did find more evidence to further prove, Jaspers was the 616 Universe.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/madjimj2.htm

GO down to 'The Mighty World of Marvel #9'

(on the right hand side of the poker dot Jaspers with a Cane)

"Captain Britain entered Jaspers' Office to find Jaspers,

a Giant at ONE with the Universe"

Originally posted by Galan007
We know Spectre was talking to the Presence...

But does that mean the Presence was backing him?

Cool.

To GS and Mr M...

If your posts don't pertain to this particular battle, can you please refrain from continuing the ongoing argument/battle you two have with each other, and take this to another thread?

-Thanks. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
It came from an Alternate Possible Future, it did happen.

"Here Comes Tomorrow" (Reality 15104) was an Alternate possible Future of the 616 Universe.

It's was set in a Future, that COULD'VE taken place 150 years from now, but never did.

Same thing with Cobweb's vision.

It was a possible future actually experienced by a 616 character who left the timeline and re-entered it further down the line, so its events can be referred to.

On top of that HCT never happened because Jean amputated that future and absorbed it into the White Hot Room. She then changed Scotts response to Emma (the original one having caused the HCT future in the first place) to replace this amputated future and continue the timeline.

Cobwebs talk was just visions of the future that were never experienced by 616 characters. They were just visions of possibilities and they were dependent on Jaspers being left unchecked. He wasnt.

Originally posted by Galan007
To GS and Mr M...

If your posts don't pertain to this particular battle, can you please refrain from continuing the ongoing argument/battle you two have with each other, and take this to another thread?

-Thanks.

Please address the right Troll.

Or did you miss the slew of scans that were just thrown in with one purpose,

DEMEAN Jaspes' feats.

I countered, I'm guilty of that. 😏

Originally posted by Galan007
To GS and Mr M...

If your posts don't pertain to this particular battle, can you please refrain from continuing the ongoing argument/battle you two have with each other, and take this to another thread?

-Thanks. 🙂

Understood. My posts stood to dehype Jaspers and illustrate how on panel he never did anything particularly impressive. On top of that, the official line is he just warped the Earth. Whilst im not saying thats all hes capable of, i'm just saying thats all he did.

If CE has superhuman reactions he wins 10/10. 😄