Cosmic Extant vs. MJJ

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I've already answered thsi long ago and you keep bringing the same point up over and over again.

You say i have no proof to show Jaspers' powers are dormant in reality and likewise you have no proof that Jaspers are always on.

You claim the Jaspers being shot by Fury incident as evidence supporting your case when it doesnt in the slightest. As shown in the previous issue Jaspers had enveloped the country/world in his reality warp where his will was reality. So for all we know Jaspers invulnerability was as a result of said warp. Given that no mention is made of his powers being always on and that its stated on panel and in bios that Jaspers powers are psychokinetic and therefore brought about consciously, the burden of proof lies at your feet my brutha. 😱

You did? I don't recall you giving me an answer... I am getting old though. You do realize GS, that what you just said would mean neither of us can use our arguments, right? There's no clear evidence either way, the burden is on both of us. At least I acknowledge my argument is an inference, however.

But anyway, I'm actually done this time. I can sense the old debater sense tingling and I'm still in sefl imposed debating retirement, so eh. 😄

It never ceases to amuse me how worked up we all get over hypothetical debates regarding fictional characters. Myself included. 😆

All this arguing negates the fact that CE can basically make it so that MJJ is never born. Or MJJ's family tree is bereved of that xgene that will power MJJ. Or Extant Places MJJ in a bubble universe where, MJJ may be supreme, but stuck, kinda like dr. stangefate. A big Fish in a very lil pond.

Originally posted by Mr Master
dontgetit

What the hell does this prove?

😆 Is this some kind of joke.

As it stands, Illadelph cant prove that Jaspers' powers are always on. The incident hes basing his opinion on occurred within Jaspers warp, so within a warp he had initiated before that point and already demonstrated resistance to physical harm prior to Furys attack its completely plausible that Jaspers determined that within that warp he couldnt be harmed.

Two sides, neither one conclusive. 🙂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
All this arguing negates the fact that CE can basically make it so that MJJ is never born. Or MJJ's family tree is bereved of that xgene that will power MJJ. Or Extant Places MJJ in a bubble universe where, MJJ may be supreme, but stuck, kinda like dr. stangefate. A big Fish in a very lil pond.

The possibilities for CE to win seems endless...

Originally posted by illadelph12

You did? I don't recall you giving me an answer... I am getting old though. You do realize GS, that what you just said would mean neither of us can use our arguments, right? There's no clear evidence either way, the burden is on both of us. At least I acknowledge my argument is an inference, however.

But anyway, I'm actually done this time. I can sense the old debater sense tingling and I'm still in sefl imposed debating retirement, so eh. 😄

It never ceases to amuse me how worked up we all get over hypothetical debates regarding fictional characters. Myself included. 😆

Indeed.

I'll happily post two outcomes, one where Jaspers power is dormant and one where its not, that works fine for me.

As always, a great pleasure. You should just come on board for once, it'll be fun!!!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
All this arguing negates the fact that CE can basically make it so that MJJ is never born. Or MJJ's family tree is bereved of that xgene that will power MJJ. Or Extant Places MJJ in a bubble universe where, MJJ may be supreme, but stuck, kinda like dr. stangefate. A big Fish in a very lil pond.

👆

Originally posted by Utrigita
Okay 😎 everybody can make mistakes.

😄

CE for the win. Galan listed the reason a little while ago.

Agreed 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I've read the bio and i must concede on that point.

It WAS indeed the place where Furys world once was.

See, it can happen.

All I see is a few seconds ago, you gave us an explanation (bull shit)

as to why I interpreted the On Panel scans incorrectly:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It says hes passed through such a place. It never makes any reference to Fury teleporting Jaspers to 238, just that Fury has experienced such a void before. Fury then teleports Jaspers to such a void. Youre assuming that he took him to 238 when no mention of that occurring is made. Im just going by whats shown and stated. Fury clicks on that without reality Jaspers might be at a disadvantage, Fury thinks of how hes experienced such a void before, Jaspers is then taken to a void.

Supposition seems to be your ally in debate my friend 🙂

So what's your ally?

Bull shit?

what happended to:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Are you trying to say that Fury took 616 Jaspers into the nullified 238 universe to defeat him? 😕

Please show me where that was stated.

Because all we were told on panel is that he was taken to the void between realities.

I thought "we we were told on panel?"

hum

Caught!

Originally posted by Mr Master
All I see is a few seconds ago, you gave us an explanation (bull shit)

as to why I interpreted the On Panel scans incorrectly:

So what's your ally?

Bull shit?

what happended to:

I thought "we we were told on panel?"

hum

Caught!

Easy, he admitted he was wrong and thats that.

😮‍💨

Originally posted by Mr Master
All I see is a few seconds ago, you gave us an explanation (bull shit)

as to why I interpreted the On Panel scans incorrectly:

So what's your ally?

Bull shit?

what happended to:

I thought "we we were told on panel?"

hum

Caught!

Ummm can you show me anywhere on panel where it states that Fury took Jaspers to where his universe used to be? All we're told is that he took him to Unspace, where there is nothing, a void. So i was quite right to question your supposition as the point isnt actually stated. However given that that viewpoint is the one the handbook subscribes to, i now accept that point gladly 🙂

See there. When an on panel instance is open to interpretation and then one interpretation is supported by the handbook, i quite rightly fall in line with that interpretation. You'd do well to follow my example son. 😉

Originally posted by Utrigita
Easy, he admitted he was wrong and thats that.

He wasn't wrong, he simply used bull shit as his information.

He said, "all we are told on panel"

No such statement on panel.

He knew I was going to post the bio next, he made a move before looking like a complete liar.

It just pisses me off, that he just insulted me, when I stated Fury went to the 238 Nullified Universe,

Now I'm right, he doesn't even have the decency to say so, instead, he acts as though He discovered the info, when it was I that interpreted those scans correctly, while he didn't.

It's not even a matter of interpretation, cause he said, "we were told on panel"

so that's a straight up lie.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ummm can you show me anywhere on panel where it states that Fury took Jaspers to where his universe used to be? All we're told is that he took him to Unspace, where there is nothing, a void. So i was quite right to question your supposition as the point isnt actually stated. However given that that viewpoint is the one the handbook subscribes to, i now accept that point gladly

See there. When an on panel instance is open to interpretation and then one interpretation is supported by the handbook, i quite rightly fall in line with that interpretation. You'd do well to follow my example son.

It was never left open to interpretation in my eyes.

It was quite clear and conclusive with the On Panel evidence alone,

that Fury took Japsers to the 238 Universal Void.

You're just trying to show face now, using more bull shit to excuse the original bull shit

You're just one big sack of shit lately duke.

Originally posted by Mr Master
He wasn't wrong, he simply used bull shit as his information.

He said, "all we are told on panel"

No such statement on panel.

He knew I was going to post the bio next, he made a move before looking like a complete liar.

It just pisses me off, that he just insulted me, when I stated Fury went to the 238 Nullified Universe,

Now I'm right, he doesn't even have the decency to say so, instead, he acts as though He discovered the info, when it was I that interpreted those scans correctly, while he didn't.

It's not even a matter of interpretation, cause he said, "we were told on panel"

so that's a straight up lie.

"Aaahmm" we where right. 😛 and why post the handbook. commen knowlegde and basic analyse would say that it was 238 since fury had only been two places the 616 and the 238.

But what can I say its Galacticstorm vs Mr Master when its best

Originally posted by Mr Master
He wasn't wrong, he simply used bull shit as his information.

He said, "all we are told on panel"

No such statement on panel.

He knew I was going to post the bio next, he made a move before looking like a complete liar.

It just pisses me off, that he just insulted me, when I stated Fury went to the 238 Nullified Universe,

Now I'm right, he doesn't even have the decency to say so, instead, he acts as though He discovered the info, when it was I that interpreted those scans correctly, while he didn't.

It's not even a matter of interpretation, cause he said, "we were told on panel"

so that's a straight up lie.

Show me on panel where it states Fury took Jaspers to where his universe used to be. 🙂

He talks of how his home world is a void and then he takes Jaspers to unspace.

That scene on its own is ambiguous, your point isnt stated on panel anywhere.

I checked up on it and the bio supported your interpretation so i gladly came in and admitted that, this is just comics after all. 🙂

You are now seething because my admittance came before you could present the bio and try to paint me out to be some kind of liar. ❌

Thats really quite pitiful. Just comics mate. 🙁

Take some time away from your monitor, get out some more. ✅

Originally posted by Mr Master
It was never left open to interpretation in my eyes.

It was quite clear and conclusive with the On Panel evidence alone,

that Fury took Japsers to the 238 Universal Void.

You're just trying to show face now, using more bull shit to excuse the original bull shit

You're just one big sack of shit lately duke.

In your eyes being the operative term. 🙂

What would make it conclusive is if Fury stated i am going to take him to Universe 238.

What actually happened on panel was that he talked of how Jaspers would fare in a void.

He talked of his home and then we were shown a place called Unspace.

It is common sense that the Fury would take him to 238 based on that scene alone youre right, however my point is that from that scene alone that interpretation isnt conclusive. From that scene alone Fury could have just taken Jaspers to a void similar to the one from his past experience. The point isnt stated it can just be gathered from reading the scene therefore once again it was inconclusive.

However on finding that the handbook subscribed to Utrigitas interpretation i gladly accepted it as who am i to oppose on panel evidence verified by a handbook statement? Who would do that? 😖hifty:

😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Show me on panel where it states Fury took Jaspers to where his universe used to be.

He talks of how his home world is a void and then he takes Jaspers to unspace.

That scene on its own is ambiguous, your point isnt stated on panel anywhere.

I checked up on it and the bio supported your interpretation so i gladly came in and admitted that, this is just comics after all.

You are now seething because my admittance came before you could present the bio and try to paint me out to be some kind of liar.

Thats really quite pitiful. Just comics mate.
Take some time away from your monitor, get out some more.

5funny

I thought you said "supposition was my ally" when I stated,

Fury took Jaspers to the 238 Universal void based on the On Panel evidence,

just cause YOU could Not see that, doesn't mean it's not clear as day,

it's just you're a hater,

and as such you blinded yourself subconsciously from the obvious FACTS.

It's not the first time, your Phoenix obssession leads you to an unrivaled intransigence.

Gonna have to love and leave ya Emmie, bed calls!! 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In your eyes being the operative term.

What would make it conclusive is if Fury stated i am going to take him to Universe 238.

What actually happened on panel was that he talked of how Jaspers would fare in a void.

He talked of his home and then we were shown a place called Unspace.

It is common sense that the Fury would take him to 238 based on that scene alone youre right, however my point is that from that scene alone that interpretation isnt conclusive. From that scene alone Fury could have just taken Jaspers to a void similar to the one from his past experience. The point isnt stated it can just be gathered from reading the scene therefore once again it was inconclusive.

However on finding that the handbook subscribed to Utrigitas interpretation i gladly accepted it as who am i to oppose on panel evidence verified by a handbook statement? Who would do that?

Gibberish.

You were Wrong,

and I was Right.

Case closed.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Gonna have to love and leave ya Emmie, bed calls!!

Kiss your sister goodnight for me.

Originally posted by Mr Master
5funny

I thought you said "supposition was my ally" when I stated,

Fury took Jaspers to the 238 Universal void based on the On Panel evidence,

just cause YOU could Not see that, doesn't mean it's not clear as day,

it's just you're a hater,

and as such you blinded yourself subconsciously from the obvious FACTS.

It's not the first time, your Phoenix obssession leads you to an unrivaled intransigence.

Fury talks of his home, Fury then takes Jaspers to somewhere called Unspace, with no reference to his home being that place on panel.

While it is easily understandable why you interpreted the scene you did, without the point being STATED on panel, it was open to interpretation. ALL we were told was that Fury took them to Unspace a void. To state as fact that that was where 238 used to be whilst understandable, would be supposition.

However as the handbook supports that interpretation, i subscribed to that interpretation, because just how would i look if i denied what was alluded to on panel and then verified in an official bio? Who could be so arrogant as to do such a thing? 😖hifty: 😂