Batman and Wolverine vs Black Panther and Captain America

Originally posted by Apolloknight
I would say BP is over everyone in agility and speed. 🙂

I never been impressed with BP speed feats.........

Originally posted by capt it up
in your dreams.

I never been impressed with BP speed feats.........

What about that issue in Wild Kingdom..?? pokey I believe Wolverine's exact words when he enountered BP was, "Whoa! Fast!"

Originally posted by braz
What about that issue in Wild Kingdom..?? pokey I believe Wolverine's exact words when he enountered BP was, "Whoa! Fast!"

Originally posted by capt it up
own it and whoopy. He surprized wolverine with his speed it not that big of a deal it simply means wolverine underestimated him. Logan did that in there first fight to and then he slammed black panther to the ground pinning him and then it was black panther taken aback by Logans speed.

I know, I just felt like being an ass. 🙂 Wolverine would slaughter BP 😉

Originally posted by braz
I know, I just felt like being an ass. 🙂 Wolverine would slaughter BP 😉

Unless he has prep.

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
Unless he has prep.

Very true my friend, but he doesnt here. 🙁

Originally posted by capt it up
own it and whoopy. He surprized wolverine with his speed it not that big of a deal it simply means wolverine underestimated him. Logan did that in there first fight to and then he slammed black panther to the ground pinning him and then it was black panther taken aback by Logans speed.

Question, how do you surpise someone when they are looking right at you?

And in the contest of champions, wolverine tried to sneak up on panther, yet panther was too fast.

Your boy even said, "You think im gonna let a little thing like speed get between me and a victory?"

What you describe as wolverine slaming panther to the ground had very little to do with speed, and was his strength, and panther even said..

"He is strong, but does he truly mean to slay me?"

Forget the fact that panther wasnt going all out in that fight also.

But I agree tho, wolverine would take the majority over panther, he's just not as fast or as agile as him.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Question, how do you surpise someone when they are looking right at you?

And in the contest of champions, wolverine tried to sneak up on panther, yet panther was too fast.

Your boy even said, "You think im gonna let a little thing like speed get between me and a victory?"

What you describe as wolverine slaming panther to the ground had very little to do with speed, and was his strength, and panther even said..

"He is strong, but does he truly mean to slay me?"

Forget the fact that panther wasnt going all out in that fight also.

But I agree tho, wolverine would take the majority over panther, he's just not as fast or as agile as him.

actaully black panthers senses are what tipped him off on Logans attack and though black panther dodge the attack that in no way showed superior speed.

Black panther then says there is no way he could posses my jungle swiftness only to be proven wrong by Wolverine.

So there goes that arguement.

Also your using reflex not speed for those examples.

Also you have no evidence to prove black panther is as fast or as agile as wolverine let a lone better then him.

Originally posted by capt it up
Quite easily actaully. Have you ever been in a fight? You can think some one is slower then they are and they surprize you with there speed. That does not make them as fast or faster.

actaully black panthers senses are what tipped him off on Logans attack and though black panther dodge the attack that in no way showed superior speed.

Black panther then says there is no way he could posses my jungle swiftness only to be proven wrong by Wolverine.

So there goes that arguement.

Also your using reflex not speed for those examples.

Also you have no evidence to prove black panther is as fast or as agile as wolverine let a lone better then him.

Well, wolverine has fought against/with panther before, so I think wolverine is familer with his abilites. You can say he surprised him all you want, doesnt change the fact that Wolveine, at least twice in continuity, commented on panthers amazing speed, not to mention cap has like 3 times, quicksilver has, whirlwind has, Gilgamesh said he was the fastest mortal he'd ever seen (cap was in the same room). Do you think wolverine could dogde the Iron Fist Attack as eaily as panther was!?

Also, there is the fact that he's superhuman, (as much as people dont like it, Hudlin upgraded him) and the heart shaped herb changed his entire physiology, oh and the fact that he is as agile as beast (beast confirmed this himself) before Hudlin

Is wolverine as agile as beast? I know wolverine would s*** stomp beast, but is he as agile as him?

Originally posted by Soljer
I wouldn't. But I'd definitely say he's on par with Wolverine in everything except for durability and stamina (both because of Wolverine's healing factor).

Originally posted by capt it up
I would not since there not a thing to suggest either.

What MA feats does Wolverine have to compare to Caps?

Originally posted by Alfheim
What MA feats does Wolverine have to compare to Caps?

Uhm. I believe Wolverine bested Capt some time in h2h combat, I cant remember where or which issue though. 😕

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Well, wolverine has fought against/with panther before, so I think wolverine is familer with his abilites.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
You can say he surprised him all you want, doesnt change the fact that Wolveine, at least twice in continuity, commented on panthers amazing speed,

Originally posted by Apolloknight
not to mention cap has like 3 times, quicksilver has, whirlwind has, Gilgamesh said he was the fastest mortal he'd ever seen (cap was in the same room).

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Do you think wolverine could dogde the Iron Fist Attack as eaily as panther was!?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Also, there is the fact that he's superhuman, (as much as people dont like it, Hudlin upgraded him)

And Logan is superhuman………….

Originally posted by Apolloknight
and the heart shaped herb changed his entire physiology,

Originally posted by Apolloknight
oh and the fact that he is as agile as beast (beast confirmed this himself) before Hudlin

Is wolverine as agile as beast? I know wolverine would s*** stomp beast, but is he as agile as him?

Originally posted by Alfheim
What MA feats does Wolverine have to compare to Caps?

Originally posted by capt it up

So your point? No ones saying he not fast were just saying there no prove he faster then wolverine.

My point was, with everybody, that wolverine has made fools of a number of normal humans, Black Panther has makes fun of "SuperHumans" who's power is there speed!

Originally posted by capt it up

Stilll does not prove he faster then wolverine at all.

Or the vice versa...

Originally posted by capt it up

Yes and IF was mind controlled and still Black panther got hit loads of times.

No, Iron Fist had his power shot to Levels unattainable by his lonesome. Black Dragon made Iron fist more powerful then he had ever been, and ever will be. And still, BP, unwilling to Fight Iron Fist, was dodging his superfast, superpowerful, Iron fist punches with EASSSSE, in fact, panther was so fast, he put a trash can on Danny's head, right in front of him no less, and disappeared from his sight, danny couldn't even track where he went. Not to mention all the points in the fight when T'challa could have easily ended the fight.

But yeah, your just like everyone else capt, look at the final scan, the scan where T'challa thought he had broken Iron fist Mind control, and let his guard down, sad.

Originally posted by capt it up

LOL. Hudlin also said storm was an omega and he thinks every one racist………..come on now.

Doesn't matter if he's a racist or not, he is STILL a marvel writer, with more say so over who he writes then you, capt.

He upgraded panther, along with giving him even more gadgets, get over it, He's Superhuman, get over it!

Originally posted by capt it up

And Logan is superhuman………….

Never said he wasn't.

Originally posted by capt it up

Lets see Logan has made every one think he was beast because of how agile and fast he was moving through out the city.

I think Beast saying "Black panther, you are as equally as fast and agile as I" is better then someone other then beast saying "Man, that guy looks like beast"

Just my opinion.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
My point was, with everybody, that wolverine has made fools of a number of normal humans, Black Panther has makes fun of "SuperHumans" who's power is there speed!

Who has black panther made look the fool that was a meta human?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Or the vice versa...

Originally posted by Apolloknight
No, Iron Fist had his power shot to Levels unattainable by his lonesome.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
And still, BP, unwilling to Fight Iron Fist, was dodging his superfast, superpowerful, Iron fist punches with EASSSSE, in fact, panther was so fast, he put a trash can on Danny's head, right in front of him no less, and disappeared from his sight, danny couldn't even track where he went. Not to mention all the points in the fight when T'challa could have easily ended the fight.

But yeah, your just like everyone else capt, look at the final scan, the scan where T'challa thought he had broken Iron fist Mind control, and let his guard down, sad.

Also IF was mind controlled and fighting wicked sloppy. There was nothing super fast about them he was fighting like a more on.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Doesn't matter if he's a racist or not, he is STILL a marvel writer, with more say so over who he writes then you, capt.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
I think Beast saying "Black panther, you are as equally as fast and agile as I" is better then someone other then beast saying "Man, that guy looks like beast"

Just my opinion.

Also Logan put on beast costum and went across new york moving so agile and fast they thought he was beast……….

Originally posted by capt it up
First off you don’t even read wolverine so do not make claims like that. Logan has made meta humans look ridiculous before such as living lightning, speed demon, x-23 and so on.

And you don\\\'t read shit. You know nothing of debating or anything for that matter. Go back to raking someone\\\'s lawn for a quarter or maybe go ahead and move back in with your parents if you don\\\'t still live with them already loser...

Who has black panther made look the fool that was a meta human?

Your face for one!

Please I dare you to try and post a feat of speed Logan can’t match.

That’s bull shit. If he did that then Black panther would be dead. A Full out IF is has KOed people like herc.

You....... are a loser

Black panther took

hits and he was was ready for them.

Also IF was mind controlled and fighting wicked sloppy. There was nothing super fast about them he was fighting like a more on.

OMFG

Originally posted by Capt It In

And you don\\\'t read shit. You know nothing of debating or anything for that matter. Go back to raking someone\\\'s lawn for a quarter or maybe go ahead and move back in with your parents if you don\\\'t still live with them already loser...

Your face for one!

A speed feat logan can\\\'t match... howsabout Runner/Silver Surfer/Any incarnation of the flash/Karate Kid/Superman... there are a ton of people logan ain\\\'t faster than you dumb****!

You....... are a loser

Black panther took I\\\'m done even reading the tripe you have to say... you are the worst kind of loser and you should just commit suicide... seirously. Stop wasting another breath.. you\\\'re not funny, you\\\'re not witty, you\\\'re not smart and you probably stink from sitting at a computer all day. Take some pills......... too many pills. [/B]

Originally posted by capt it up
First off you don’t even read wolverine so do not make claims like that. Logan has made meta humans look ridiculous before such as living lightning, speed demon, x-23 and so on.

Who has black panther made look the fool that was a meta human?

Wolverine..... 🙂

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6645/bpvsxmen2wa.jpg

Originally posted by capt it up

Please I dare you to try and post a feat of speed Logan can’t match.

Sure, np.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6645/bpvsxmen2wa.jpg

Originally posted by capt it up

That’s bull shit. If he did that then Black panther would be dead. A Full out IF is has KOed people like herc.

I know, too bad Black Panther was to fast for Iron fist land any of them Herc shattering blows on him until the end of the fight, when Panther thought it was all over. Remember capt, Iron fist did not hit panther at all until panther thought it was all over.

But don't get mad at me, get mad at Christopher Priest, and whoever the Editor was on the issue, they wrote it, I didn't, tell them it was Bull shit. and they'll probably say something like

"I'm a marvel writer, you just read what I write, go away now"

Originally posted by capt it up

Black panther took hits and he was was ready for them.

I know, thanks to his vibranium suit, BP wasn't killed, and BP still won the fight, as Iron fist fell to the ground KO'ed first.

Originally posted by capt it up

But the fact is 99.9 percent of marvel writers say he peakhuman……….not superhuman. One writer vs almost every if not every other writer. I'm gunna go with all the other writers opinions over some racist moron

Well, at one time wolverine was a peak human, and some writer decided to say, "hey guys, I'm gonna upgrade wolverine, make him immortal, make his healing factor unreal, make him a master Martial artist OK"

And they said "Sure"

It happens cap, characters get upgraded all the time. Oh and Hudlin isn't the only one who think hes Superhuman, Editors, you know the guys who keep the writers in check and tell them what the can and cant do on every single comic issue, also think BP is superhuman. Editors and writers, do write the marvel bios you know (Not that I agree with how fast they have BP and wolverine, just saying those writers and editors think there are pretty fast also!!!)

Originally posted by capt it up

Again word of mouth really means nothing. Beast said he was far quicker and crap then Capt and capt ended up being just as fast.

Also Logan put on beast costum and went across new york moving so agile and fast they thought he was beast……….

This is why This forum bothers me. HYPOCRISY is unreal these days.

Cap you just tooled yourself right here, First you disclaim beast saying himself, that BP is as fast as him, remember, beast in a fight against panther, said this.

Then you turn around and say, the x-men thinking wolverine moved like beast is ok.

wow...

Originally posted by capt it up
the irony. Not going to bother you be to easy.