I was called a ____ this morning by a ______ in the U.S. in 2007, for no reason

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
there u go playing hero again, i never have been around whites who were into that kind of stuff, and most of my life i was around them, heck, even most asians don't pull that kind of stuff regularly, blacks want an excuse for the "bad" things happening to them and they want your skin as an excuse, but they won't see that it's the voodoo and roots that they do to each other that is devestating them, you can defend them, but that's like playing the devil's advocate.

2. There is no such thing as voodoo or devils.

3. Get out of the US (or the south atleast) and see the real world.

Originally posted by parenthesis
1. Not all black people are like that, you weatch too many shows and are obviously living in the 1960s.

2. There is no such thing as voodoo or devils.

3. Get out of the US (or the south atleast) and see the real world.

1. black culture is involved in that kinda stuff but they PLAY as if they aren't.

2. the occult is real, just like with herbs and energy, if applied the right way, it works.

3. i don't live around black people, but i don't mind telling the truth about what i have seen and what was done to me.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
and u are a conduit.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
i have known many black people who would give you the shirt off their back if you needed it. for you to condemn an entire race based on the actions of a few is just stupid. odds are that you and the other girl were somewhere you should not have been or doing something you should not have been doing in the first place. i'll be damned if i sit here and bite ny tongue as you rant and rave about niggers.

i have given the shirt off of my back, literally, for a black person, and i have done a lot more then give the coat off of my back for another person who happened to be black. and to chastise me as being in the wrong place and that's why i deserve to be raped isn't even 90% of what people in the black mentality do to people. if you want to play conduit, that's fine, as of now, i don't have much else to say to you, your skin color is a pawn and they are using you, one day, you'll wake up and see what is going on.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
1. black culture is involved in that kinda stuff but they PLAY as if they aren't.

2. the occult is real, just like with herbs and energy, if applied the right way, it works.

3. i don't live around black people, but i don't mind telling the truth about what i have seen and what was done to me.

2. How does it "work"?

3. And what is "the truth"? That all black people are evil?

Originally posted by parenthesis
1. What the hell is "black culture"?

2. How does it "work"?

3. And what is "the truth"? That all black people are evil?

i feel that a lot of blacks default into that bullshit based on my experience with them, and i can say that based on my experience, they think that A to Z conflict is cute, can't say that all blacks are evil, but that black culture into voodoo and roots is evil.

i don't know the exact method of how it works, but i am smart enough to stay away, i don't care if u think i am crazy, learn it on your own.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
i feel that a lot of blacks default into that bullshit based on my experience with them, and i can say that based on my experience, they think that A to Z conflict is cute, can't say that all blacks are evil, but that black culture into voodoo and roots is evil.

i don't know the exact method of how it works, but i am smart enough to stay away, i don't care if u think i am crazy, learn it on your own.

Originally posted by parenthesis
You are crazy. I know black people in Britain. My PE teacher is black and he is one of the best people I know. He doesn't say "Watup dawg." like you Americans stereotype them as saying, he's a standard yorkshiremen, and has no linkage with pot, voodoo or the devil. Take it from me, you couldn't be more wrong about black people.

i don't care if u find me crazy. i've met some good black people too, but i have also met too many that are into the black culture/voodoo/roots and that culture isn't necessarily a "what up dawg" expression. i've given the coat off of my back, literally, for a person who happened to be black, and i've fought in defense of blacks, i know exactly what i am talking about, and if it sounds crazy, so be it.

i was their conduit at one time, i use to write in defense of blacks:

http://p076.ezboard.com/Archives/fpoliticalpalacefrm28?page=6

i was their sucker/conduit. i know there are some good black people, but i learned about the stuff that their culture teaches them is COOL and OK to do..

http://p076.ezboard.com/Political-Palace/fpoliticalpalacefrm1

http://p076.ezboard.com/300A-racist-movie/fpoliticalpalacefrm1.showMessage?topicID=12353.topic

sorry for the tripple posting..

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
i don't care if u find me crazy. i've met some good black people too, but i have also met too many that are into the black culture/voodoo/roots and that culture isn't necessarily a "what up dawg" expression. i've given the coat off of my back, literally, for a person who happened to be black, and i've fought in defense of blacks, i know exactly what i am talking about, and if it sounds crazy, so be it.

they're called Haitians, get it straight

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
i feel that a lot of blacks default into that bullshit based on my experience with them, and i can say that based on my experience, they think that A to Z conflict is cute, can't say that all blacks are evil, but that black culture into voodoo and roots is evil.

i don't know the exact method of how it works, but i am smart enough to stay away, i don't care if u think i am crazy, learn it on your own.

why have you allowed one incident to turn you into a complete racist

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
they're called Haitians, get it straight

why have you allowed one incident to turn you into a complete racist

it's not just one "incident" & what i have explained are CRIMES that were committed, and an incident is like someone bumping your car in traffic, i had that happen to me b/4 and it's no big deal, i get out of my car, ask if the person is ok, and look at the scratch or bumb, a little scratch on a car, everyone is ok...that's an incident (may have happened 3 times in my lifetime, those are incidents that are no brainers, no one was hurt and it was an oversight of the other driver but a little dent is ok or a little scratch is livable, it's just a car). rape is a crime, doing roots on someone to have them kill themselves and their wife and the person next to their wife is a crime, the stuff i seen were CRIMES and these were not ROUGH black people, but they were people who had black mentality or a love for black culture.

and i don't have a love for haitian voodoo, but the stuff i am talking about is AFRICAN AMERICAN ROOTS.

it's not just a haitian thing and it's not a joke, read this stuff and then when you talk to southern blacks (and many northern blacks visit the south as this is where they go home to visit older relatives), again, some blacks are perfectly fine, but the black culture has this hoodoo/voodoo/roots still intact, just read the stuff below, it's going to sound crazy and silly, but once you read it, you will start to make sense of the little phases you hear blacks say among themselves, the little phrases that doesn't make sense will start to come together, this is part of their culture, just like voodoo is part of haitian culture, it's a default mentality:

http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoohistory.html

http://www.yale.edu/glc/gullah/05.htm

http://cgi.ebay.com/South-Carolina-Gullah-Voodoo-Root-Doctors-Folk-Magic_W0QQitemZ220099531818QQihZ012QQcategoryZ394QQcmdZViewItem

http://www.luckymojo.com/

http://www.hoodooroots.com/

they call it "tricking or laying down tricks", after i read this stuff, the things i recalled hearing from people into black culture started to make sense to me, but during the time that i would hear it, it didn't make sense and i just thought it was inside jokes or something..and it's all over the south, meaning, there are places people go to have things "done", and this is what is crippling blacks, not white people, but the roots/voodoo/hoodoo that is done to solve problems and the A to Z conflicts, as well as soon innocent conduits who don't know any better.

i have heard of a black person saying some thing about mojo, and thought of it as a joke or something from a song..but would always say it with a straight face, recently, like a year or so ago, i decided to look up this word and get to the heart of what this means, as i thought it was just something silly or benelovent...here's more info:

"Like European magic, hoodoo makes use of ritual candles, incense, oils, and powders -- to which are added, due to the African emphasis on footprint magic and spiritual cleansing, floor washes and spiritual baths. Unlike European-derived magic, however, the hoodoo formulas for these products have no high-flown Mediaeval or New Age names such as "Astral Powder" or "Oil of Jupiter" or "Serenity Incense." Instead, a hoodoo spell -- called a "job" -- consists of "fixing up" a mojo or prescribing a ritual for bringing in good luck or diagnosing metaphysical problems and then countering them. These metaphysical problems are called "conditions." The formulae for oil, incense, powders, floor washes, baths, and candles used to bring about luck and to "stop evil conditions" are named after the conditions themselves. Among these are such traditional and colourful titles as "Money Stay With Me", "Essence of Bend-Over", "Compelling", "Kiss Me Now", "Hot Foot", "Follow Me Boy", "Law Keep Away", "Fast Luck", "Court Case", and "Fiery Wall of Protection". These names have led many Caucasians trained in European herb-magic to think that hoodoo is "fake magic," but when the formulae themselves are examined, one will find remarkable similarities between, for example, neo-pagan "Oil of Venus" and hoodoo "Love Me Oil." This is not to say that all suppliers of hoodoo formulae deliver the herb-based products one hopes they will (any more than all manufacturers of neo-pagan formulae do), but hoodoo books on herb magic show that the knowledge base is comparable in scope and in seriousness of purpose. "

"One reason for the confusion between hoodoo and Voodoo is that the study of African American rootwork with respect to African systems of belief has only recently risen above the level of mere speculation.

Older accounts of hoodoo tended to emphasize West African linkages, in part because that area of Africa was heavily traversed during the 19th century by English speaking Christian missionaries who published books mentioning "native customs" -- which American slave-owners saw as similar to practices they observed among their slaves. This is why many 19th century accounts of hoodoo by white authors call it "Voodoo." However, by mid-20th century, with the publication of "Flash of the Spirit" by Robert Farris Thompson, scholarly focus shifted to the Congo as the source of most of what anthropologists would call "African retentions" in conjure -- beliefs, customs, sayings, or even complete rituals that have been recorded in Africa and that have survived in the United States through the many centuries that Africans have lived here. "

the reason why so many bad things happen to blacks is b/c of the hoodoo and roots and voodoo they do to each other, yet, they will quickly blame the white race in general for it.

"The renowned folk-magic scholar Henri Gamache, the author of "The Master Book of Candle Burning" and "Terrors of the Evil Eye Exposed" (a.k.a. "Protection Against Evil"😉, collected this material from Mediaeval Coptic and Syrian grimoires that were attributed to Moses, the ancient leader of Israel.

Originally published in 1945...Rather than merely following in the tradtion of the earlier such collection of spells and talismans called "The 6th and 7th Books of Moses," Henri Gamache wrote a startling and lengthy preface in which he linked African tribal beliefs to ancient Jewish and Egyptian religions. In doing this, he sought to prove that Moses was "The Great Voodoo Man of he Bible," a remarkable thesis that may have owed its genesis to the socio-political writings of Marcus Garvey and that certainly foreshadowed the magical African Cultural Nationalism novels of Ishmael Reed (such as "Mumbo Jumbo"😉 by several decades.

Like Henri Gamache's other works, "The 8th, 9th, and 10th Books of Moses" was packaged for sale to hoodoo practitioners in the African-American community. It has proven consistently popular and has never gone out of print.
"

http://www.luckymojo.com/8th9th10thmoses.html

(remember this was published around the 1940s), (this is going to sound crazy, but bare with me please) remember that in the 1940s, it was rumored that Franklin Delano Roosevelt had used a psychic to help him out in events, and one of them told him that race relations were going to get really bad, and he was surprised, just look back at what was mfg in the black occult "black" community in the 1940s.

here's more:

"Many of the most famous rootwork practitioners of the 19th and 20th centuries came from mixed-race families and proudly spoke of learning about herbs from an "Indian Grandma." More information about the Native American sources of hoodoo herbal and zoological curios can be found in my book "Hoodoo Herb and Root Magic." "

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
i don't care if u find me crazy. i've met some good black people too, but i have also met too many that are into the black culture/voodoo/roots and that culture isn't necessarily a "what up dawg" expression. i've given the coat off of my back, literally, for a person who happened to be black, and i've fought in defense of blacks, i know exactly what i am talking about, and if it sounds crazy, so be it.

Originally posted by parenthesis
For the last time, there is no such thing as voodoo or "black culture" for that matter.

"Newcomers to hoodoo -- especially white folks with an interest in what they believe to be "exotic" or "other-cultural" -- often tell themselves (and, if they are authors, their unfortunate public) that the true and authentic source for all things hoodoo / Voodoo can be found only in New Orleans. This is manifestly untrue, and can be demonstrated to be a fiction by anyone who cares to interview rootworkers outside of the Crescent City.

Because hoodoo is at its core a Central African / Congo / Bantu system of magical practice, one way to identify the oldest and most authentic practices is to look for what anthropologists would call "African retentions" -- beliefs, customs, sayings, or even complete rituals that have been recorded in Africa and that have survived in the United States through the many centuries that Africans have lived here.

There are, of course, certain customs and beliefs which can be seen as more or less "Pan-African (ancestor veneration comes to mind as an example) and these need not be linked to one African group or another -- for virtually every African captive would have shared these beliefs.

One thing i look out for when trying to determine the actuality of African retentions over the course of hundreds of years in the USA is their distribution pattern. African captives themselves were distributed widely throughout the Americas, both North and South, in the Northeastern urbanized region as well as in the better-documented rural Southern "slave states." In ALL of those places, you will find common African retentions, such as -- to name three off the top of my head:

mixing pepper and salt and wearing it in your shoe for protection from witchcraft,
mixing up three-ingredient spiritual cleansing baths and floor washesthat have a mineral component,
working with live ants (in their nests) in an assortment of spells.
These ideas, and other similar African magical customs, will be found everywhere that black folks live in America, from Sandusky, Ohio to Atlanta, Georgia. Not everyone will "believe" in them or use them, but they are a common heritage in the culture and will be encountered on a regular basis -- just the way you will see Irish Americans all over the USA talking about hanging horseshoes with the points up "or the luck will run out."

So when someone tells me that a common African American belief derives from "New Orleans Voodoo" i just smile. It is African, and it is EVERYWHERE. New Orleans is just a little part of everywhere"

i am not stating i am into it, b/c i am not, i have seen stuff done and u can act like the elephant isn't in the room, go ahead, but in the end, by sheltering black ego, you aren't helping them.

when i was dating, i dated some african american men, on several occasions, they would mention something about not eating anything that is red or dark, i couldn't understand why and would look with a blank stare; my first job away from home was working at a resturant and i had to sweep the floor, when i did, i accidently swept the foot of my manager who was a black female, she was as angry as if i slapped her mother, i had accidently swepted the foot of a white person before and it has happened to me too, no one gets angry, this lady became very angry and told me that doing that brings bad luck to the person, i apologized and told her that i didn't know. again, after reading the mojo link, i learned why blacks use to say " once you go black, you won't go back", i learned why those few black guys were concerned about drinking something dark or red; i learned why that mngr was so upset about the accidental foot sweep; and much much more, after reading THEIR CULTURE, i learned what it meant by "we will let mojo handle it" and it wasn't a joke...it's not a game. all these "tricks" that are done are evil, but since they don't have a category for such a term, they think it's ok to do things like this and it causes trouble in the minds of other blacks who wouldn't dare complain about it and look foolish or stupid, and the stuff festers, and it's in a lot of places throughout the usa, esp. the south, it's deep in their minds and part of their culture, and when things go wrong or when they want something done, they go to this source and it's NEGATIVE and evil, but since they don't have a category for it, they would rather play as if "evil" is what whites say about it, yet, this stuff is for bad things to be done to people, not good.

"It is very common, both in love work and enemy work, to lay a trick in food or drink.

If the trick is laid as part of a love spell, either for initial attraction or to ensure marital fidelity, the items may be edible magic love herbs (like basil, cardamom, or rosemary) or bodily fluids (like menstrual blood, urine, or semen). The former may be used in cooking; the latter are most commonly stirred into dark-coloured liquids, such as coffee or tea, or red-coloured foods like spaghetti sauce or lasagna. " after reading this a year ago, i finally realized what those black guys were talking about, before then, i didn't have a clue.

What are you going on about? I've got a large group of black friends and I've never heard such stuff coming from them, ever. I don't think it's very acceptable of you to categorize a whole race of people into a belief system that you see as a glamorous one.