Anyone here had enough of the new hate towards "Batman" (1989)?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well maybe Burton hadnt read a comic but somebody obvoulsy had read DKR

Which he does but your obvoulsy to thick to get it and again[B] the REASON why we brought it up anyway was to highlight the hypocrisy....for the love of god you still havent addressed the point of why you still like BB when its based on a Batman series created in the late 80s. [/B]

This is truth... It is quite hypocritical of him...

But since I can't use DKR as a reference to explain Burton's Batman killing anymore, and I'm supposed to go by something written a long time ago, ok... In Detective Comics #27, Batman killed 2 guys... And he continued to kill in his early appearances... Burton's Batman killed, based on either DKR or 1930s Batman, you choose...

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
True enough but if that was how he felt Forever would have been his best shot because that had more time at home with Bruce and Dick and Bruce and Chase than the other films did but he still left.

Keaton just did not want to do it anymore. He felt he should have had more screen time. I have no idea how Batman Forever would have been if Keaton had been in it.

Originally posted by DARKLORDCAEDUS
Keaton just did not want to do it anymore. He felt he should have had more screen time. I have no idea how Batman Forever would have been if Keaton had been in it.

kind of like how Tobey McGuire had mixed feelings about returning for Spider-Man 2 because he had to work out a lot, and his back kinda hurts???

lol imagine Keaton vs Jim Carey and Tommy Lee Jones 😆

Originally posted by Bat Dude
This is truth... It is quite hypocritical of him...

But since I can't use DKR as a reference to explain Burton's Batman killing anymore, and I'm supposed to go by something written a long time ago, ok... In Detective Comics #27, Batman killed 2 guys... And he continued to kill in his early appearances... Burton's Batman killed, based on either DKR or 1930s Batman, you choose...

There you go, sorry I keep going on about this point but really Mr Parker should shut the **** up. Really if hes going to make an idiotic point like that it shows that he doesnt have any credibility.

Originally posted by Alfheim
There you go, sorry I keep going on about this point but really Mr Parker should shut the **** up. Really if hes going to make an idiotic point like that it shows that he doesnt have any credibility.

how come all the burton/keaton fanboys always take it personal and come out with all these attacks and name calling....so hostile

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
how come all the burton/keaton fanboys always take it personal and come out with all these attacks and name calling....so hostile

Well it's kinda hard to not take it personal when it's something they grew up with or something they love that is being attacked to no end...

Originally posted by Alfheim
There you go, sorry I keep going on about this point but really Mr Parker should shut the **** up. Really if hes going to make an idiotic point like that it shows that he doesnt have any credibility.

Dude, this is a ****ING message board. You shut the **** up. This a place for people to voice their OPINIONS. If you don't like it; leave.

Originally posted by DARKLORDCAEDUS
Keaton just did not want to do it anymore. He felt he should have had more screen time. I have no idea how Batman Forever would have been if Keaton had been in it.

Originally posted by Il.Mozalini
Dude, this is a ****ING message board. You shut the **** up. This a place for people to voice their OPINIONS. If you don't like it; leave.

While I agree that it is great for people to voice there opinions, there is a point where it becomes ridiculous... Hypocritical nonsense, flaming, and etc. all start to come out... That's what happens when we talk Burton Batman, I guess... There are those that love the films and try to defend them (including me) and there are those that down right hate them and love to bash them as "crap"... Never have I seen a civilized discussion on the subject...

While I'm posting, here's my thoughts...

Batman 89: Based on DKR (made in late 80s)/30s Batman
Batman Begins: Based on Year One (made in late 80s)/I think parts of TLH

Batman 89: Best Batmobile (in my opinion) +1
Batman Begins: Good Batmobile, not what we're used to

Batman 89: Best score (in my opinion) +1
Batman Begins: Ok score, it's getting there

Batman 89: Arguably best Batman +0
Batman Begins: Arguably best Batman +0

Batman 89: Ok Wayne, a DKR-like Wayne, not what we're used to
Batman Begins: The definitive modern age Bruce Wayne +1

Batman 89: Good Alfred +0
Batman Begins: Good Alfred +0

Batman 89: Underused Gordan
Batman Begins: The definitive Gordan (in my opinion) +1

Batman 89: Good detective ability +1
Batman Begins: Barely any detective ability

Batman 89: Carl Grissom (R.I.P. Jack Palance)
Batman Begins: Carmine Falcone +1

Batman 89: Great Bat Suit (couldn't turn head) +0
Batman Begins: Great Bat Suit (couldn't turn head) +0

Batman 89: One good rogue's gallery villain
Batman Begins: Two good rogue's gallery villains +1

Batman 89: Better atmosphere (in my opinion) +1
Batman Begins: Good atmosphere

Batman 89: Jack Napier killed the Waynes
Batman Begins: Joe Chill killed the Waynes +1

Batman 89: Good movie
Batman Begins: Good Batman movie +1

Overall
Batman 89: 4
Batman Begins: 6

In the end, Begins was a better Batman movie, but that doesn't mean Batman 89 was crap, it just wasn't the best Batman movie... It was a good movie, though...

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
how come all the burton/keaton fanboys always take it personal and come out with all these attacks and name calling....so hostile

Again you dont listen, did you actually see why I said that? Are you actually going to try and read and comprehend what I said for a change? The fact that you call us Burton fans just shows how you fail to listen to what people say, from what ive heard all the Burton fans think that BB was a better Batman movie.

Serioulsy are you going to start listening or what?

Originally posted by Il.Mozalini
Dude, this is a ****ING message board. You shut the **** up. This a place for people to voice their OPINIONS. If you don't like it; leave.

I dont have a problem with people having an opinion. I have a problem with people being insulting and then being hypocritical about it. Now lets look at why I said that.

1. How would you like if if somebody said you were not a true Batman fan, dont you think that sounds a bit facist? Isnt it better to respect other peoples tastes?

2. Mr Parker is a hypocrite. He keeps looking for excuses to say that Batman 89 was a crap movie and whenever we use his arguments against him he comes up with stupid excuses.

One of his main complaints is that Batman 89 is not based on the comic book character. When examples were given of Batman 89 being similar to DKR he stated that its a rubbish source because it was made in the late 80s. He keeps going on about BB but failed to notice that BB was based on Batman Year One which was also made in the late 80s. Please explain how this isnt hypocritical bullshit.

I respect peoples opinions, I dont even mind if you think that Batman 89 is crap but if you're going to tell me im not a true Batman fan because I dont agree with you and not give me a good reason why I might just be insulting.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
While I agree that it is great for people to voice there opinions, there is a point where it becomes ridiculous... Hypocritical nonsense, flaming, and etc. all start to come out... That's what happens when we talk Burton Batman, I guess... There are those that love the films and try to defend them (including me) and there are those that down right hate them and love to bash them as "crap"... Never have I seen a civilized discussion on the subject...

While I'm posting, here's my thoughts...

Batman 89: Based on DKR (made in late 80s)/30s Batman
Batman Begins: Based on Year One (made in late 80s)/I think parts of TLH

Batman 89: Best Batmobile (in my opinion) +1
Batman Begins: Good Batmobile, not what we're used to

Batman 89: Best score (in my opinion) +1
Batman Begins: Ok score, it's getting there

Batman 89: Arguably best Batman +0
Batman Begins: Arguably best Batman +0

Batman 89: Ok Wayne, a DKR-like Wayne, not what we're used to
Batman Begins: The definitive modern age Bruce Wayne +1

Batman 89: Good Alfred +0
Batman Begins: Good Alfred +0

Batman 89: Underused Gordan
Batman Begins: The definitive Gordan (in my opinion) +1

Batman 89: Good detective ability +1
Batman Begins: Barely any detective ability

Batman 89: Carl Grissom (R.I.P. Jack Palance)
Batman Begins: Carmine Falcone +1

Batman 89: Great Bat Suit (couldn't turn head) +0
Batman Begins: Great Bat Suit (couldn't turn head) +0

Batman 89: One good rogue's gallery villain
Batman Begins: Two good rogue's gallery villains +1

Batman 89: Better atmosphere (in my opinion) +1
Batman Begins: Good atmosphere

Batman 89: Jack Napier killed the Waynes
Batman Begins: Joe Chill killed the Waynes +1

Batman 89: Good movie
Batman Begins: Good Batman movie +1

Overall
Batman 89: 4
Batman Begins: 6

In the end, Begins was a better Batman movie, but that doesn't mean Batman 89 was crap, it just wasn't the best Batman movie... It was a good movie, though...

Well, I see where you're coming from, EXCEPT for the score. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would not be appalled by the Batman(89) score. It had ****ing Prince in it for god's sake.

I think, as I am a director myself, I am much more objective to Burton's "style". I've hated his directing for years, which has not too much to do with Batman.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Again you dont listen, did you actually see why I said that? Are you actually going to try and [B]read and comprehend what I said for a change? The fact that you call us Burton fans just shows how you fail to listen to what people say, from what ive heard all the Burton fans think that BB was a better Batman movie.

Serioulsy are you going to start listening or what?

I dont have a problem with people having an opinion. I have a problem with people being insulting and then being hypocritical about it. Now lets look at why I said that.

1. How would you like if if somebody said you were not a true Batman fan, dont you think that sounds a bit facist? Isnt it better to respect other peoples tastes?

2. Mr Parker is a hypocrite. He keeps looking for excuses to say that Batman 89 was a crap movie and whenever we use his arguments against him he comes up with stupid excuses.

One of his main complaints is that Batman 89 is not based on the comic book character. When examples were given of Batman 89 being similar to DKR he stated that its a rubbish source because it was made in the late 80s. He keeps going on about BB but failed to notice that BB was based on Batman Year One which was also made in the late 80s. Please explain how this isnt hypocritical bullshit.

I respect peoples opinions, I dont even mind if you think that Batman 89 is crap but if you're going to tell me im not a true Batman fan because I dont agree with you and not give me a good reason why I might just be insulting. [/B]

Ok, just so you know, I am not Mr. Parker. Everything you just said had to do with him. He has his opinions, you have your's. I really don't give two shits as to who is right. Yes, I agree much more with him. But I cannot answer your questions regarding to him. All I'm saying is everyone can express their opinions. I really don't give a shit how much of a Batman fan you are. Nor do I care how much of a Batman fan HE thinks you are.

In my opinion, the 89 Batman was a piece of shit movie. Nothing to do with comic book loyalty, it was just a shit movie. In your opinion it was gold. Let us all discuss our opinions in harmony.

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
how come all the burton/keaton fanboys always take it personal and come out with all these attacks and name calling....so hostile

exactly.he needs to look at his posts if he wants to see idiotic posts and someone with no credibility.Thats the worst I have done is say they are not true fans for accepting michael keaton as batman which is just an opinion,no need to act like a child about it.at least batdude is mature in his posts in his disagreements with me about batman 89 being crap..I cant believe this discussion is even still going on.

Originally posted by Il.Mozalini
Dude, this is a ****ING message board. You shut the **** up. This a place for people to voice their OPINIONS. If you don't like it; leave.

good advice.I was reading your last post and if anybody is actually saying you and me are the same poster,THATS someone who has no credibility.its so obvious we are not the same poster.to HIS logic,him and the thread starter of this thread are the same poster.really its best to ignore him,he cant be mature and civilized in his posts like batdude is.stick to debating with him and ignore this guy.btw,I disagree with you that the score for batman 89 wasnt better than begins.That was the TWO things that batman 89 did better was thee score and the batmobile.I dont think he is talking about the prince songtrack-yeah that was crap. 😘 I think he meant the main theme that you heard in the opening credits.THAT was pretty good.again i cant believe this discussion is even still going on even long after I stopped discussing it.

Originally posted by Il.Mozalini
Well, I see where you're coming from, EXCEPT for the score. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would not be appalled by the Batman(89) score. It had ****ing Prince in it for god's sake.

I think, as I am a director myself, I am much more objective to Burton's "style". I've hated his directing for years, which has not too much to do with Batman.

Yeah, like Mr. Parker said, I'm talking about Danny Elfman's musical score, not Prince's Batman soundtrack...

Here's a link to the song...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PLyIeAnKDeY

Damn good music...

Exactly. Danny Elfman to me is probably one of the best guys for score. His music really fits whatever he is doing. The Batman theme to me is definitive but he also did Desperate Housewives theme and the Simpsons theme

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
Exactly. Danny Elfman to me is probably one of the best guys for score. His music really fits whatever he is doing. The Batman theme to me is definitive but he also did Desperate Housewives theme and the Simpsons theme

Agreed. Danny Elfman is one of the best music scorers around today.

Originally posted by Il.Mozalini
Ok, just so you know, I am not Mr. Parker. Everything you just said had to do with him. He has his opinions, you have your's. I really don't give two shits as to who is right. Yes, I agree much more with him. But I cannot answer your questions regarding to him. All I'm saying is everyone can express their opinions. I really don't give a shit how much of a Batman fan you are. Nor do I care how much of a Batman fan HE thinks you are.

Hey man you told me to **** off the forum, im just explaining to you why I said it.

Originally posted by Il.Mozalini

In my opinion, the 89 Batman was a piece of shit movie. Nothing to do with comic book loyalty, it was just a shit movie. In your opinion it was gold. Let us all discuss our opinions in harmony.

Ok im a bit confused here. Who said anything about comic book loyalty? Is this in response to DKR and Year One, if this is that means what I said went completely over your head and you didnt read what I said. Hell I even asked you a question put it in bold and you didnt respond to it. thorinnsrug Look im not being bad put if your going to comment on my post could you at least read it.

Yeah we should discuss in harmony, but if people are pouting out hypocritcal nonsense, and are not reading posts properly sometimes things get a bit heated.

Originally posted by DARKLORDCAEDUS
Agreed. Danny Elfman is one of the best music scorers around today.

What exactly, Batman flaws aside makes Batman 1989 a shit movie. I think it's a very striking and memorable movie and quite stunning visually and the script to me had some great memorable lines