To be honest I'm starting to think Venom and Carnage are pretty much on the same level, Maybe carnage is slightly superior physicly...but as Venom has said he makes up for it in being more cunning a better fighter and generally just smarter...
But I think Current Venom could beat current Carnage...after all Eddie is in a nice hospital and Carnage is well ripped in half floating in space somewhere, not much of a contest now eh...
Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
What're you smoking? Venom is not anywhere close to being able to defeat Carnage. It's even been proven in the comics seeing as, well, Carnage did whoop Venom's black symbiote having ass.
*sigh* Here we go again.
Eddie Brock (without symbiote) is a great athlete and great h2h fighter.
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Physically he's stronger than any ordinary human.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8699667
Venom and Carnage fought 5 times.
The first one was in "savage alliance" (Carnage first appearance) where Carnage managed to hold his own against both Spider and Venom. In the very same book Venom proved that he has better resistance to sonics.
The second time was in "Maximum Carnage". There Venom was beating the crap outa Carnage for 3 issues and Spider-man had to interfere few times to stop Brock from killing Cassidy. It'd be fair to mention that it wasn't much of a fair fight because both Carnage and Venom were weakened.
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Third time they fought in "Carnage Unlished" where they stalemated each other.
Forth time was in "Venom vs Carnage". Venom beat him.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7236160
Fifth time was in "Venom on trial". Spider-man had to beg Venom to live Carnage alive.
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While Daredevil was talking to Venom, Carnage managed to escape and attacked Spider-man. Then Venom jumped him for the second time and look what happened.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8605277
After that Venom injected helpless Carnage with a symbiote blocker and kept him alive because he made a promise.
Summing up, in "triumphant" Venom came to Carnage's cell. It wasn't really a fight. Brock just reminded him who's the original symbiote.
1.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7833600
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3. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7833603
Oh, and since somebody mentioned Spider-man TAS. There, Venom beat Carnage as well.
Originally posted by Sparkz
To be honest I'm starting to think Venom and Carnage are pretty much on the same level, Maybe carnage is slightly superior physicly...but as Venom has said he makes up for it in being more cunning a better fighter and generally just smarter...But I think Current Venom could beat current Carnage...after all Eddie is in a nice hospital and Carnage is well ripped in half floating in space somewhere, not much of a contest now eh...
Originally posted by Sam Z
*sigh* Here we go again.
Eddie Brock (without symbiote) is a great athlete and great h2h fighter.
1.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8699683
2.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8699689
Physically he's stronger than any ordinary human.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8699667Venom and Carnage fought 5 times.
The first one was in "savage alliance" (Carnage first appearance) where Carnage managed to hold his own against both Spider and Venom. In the very same book Venom proved that he has better resistance to sonics.
The second time was in "Maximum Carnage". There Venom was beating the crap outa Carnage for 3 issues and Spider-man had to interfere few times to stop Brock from killing Cassidy. It'd be fair to mention that it wasn't much of a fair fight because both Carnage and Venom were weakened.
1.http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanunlimited0201rb9.jpg
2.http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanunlimited0202ck2.jpg
3.http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanunlimited0203jz9.jpg1.http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanunlimited0218ov4.jpg
2.http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanunlimited0219fb9.jpgThird time they fought in "Carnage Unlished" where they stalemated each other.
Forth time was in "Venom vs Carnage". Venom beat him.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7236160Fifth time was in "Venom on trial". Spider-man had to beg Venom to live Carnage alive.
1.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6146739
2.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6638834
While Daredevil was talking to Venom, Carnage managed to escape and attacked Spider-man. Then Venom jumped him for the second time and look what happened.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8605277
After that Venom injected helpless Carnage with a symbiote blocker and kept him alive because he made a promise.Summing up, in "triumphant" Venom came to Carnage's cell. It wasn't really a fight. Brock just reminded him who's the original symbiote.
1.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7833600
2.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7833601
3. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7833603Oh, and since somebody mentioned Spider-man TAS. There, Venom beat Carnage as well.
For one, I said Venom & Carnage, not Eddie Brock & Cletus Kasady. Meaning I was talking about the symbiotes. Anyway, it's already been proven that each spawn of every symbiote is stronger than it's predecessor.
Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43And that is exactly why I mentioned all thier fight and posted scans. I just figured that posting few Brock's feats couldn't hurt anyone.
For one, I said Venom & Carnage, not Eddie Brock & Cletus Kasady.
Meaning I was talking about the symbiotes.
Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43That's just words. It's usually written in the same directories where it's stated that Venom is class 11. Which is bull.
Anyway, it's already been proven that each spawn of every symbiote is stronger than it's predecessor.
Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
You were right about nothing, douchebag.
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He didn't take them out, he kept running from them using a baby as a live shield, but yeah he did good against both. It was ONCE in a book that was written like 20 years ago.
Later Spider-man and Daredevil had to help Carnage to stop Venom. And even then they couldn't.
This and 4 other fights aren't proof enough for you?
Originally posted by Sam Z
Whatever kid. Scans are posted above. So stop acting like a loser and just get over the fact that Venom>Carnage.
Um, whats going on in those scans? Cletus isn't even carnage yet.
Any fight between Carnage and Venom where they're fighting equally is PIS anyway. Or at least thats what I know. Unfortunately, I don't have scans and I've been trying to take a break character debates so I'm just going to say that and stay out of this one. If I don find scans though, I'll post them.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Um, whats going on in those scans? Cletus isn't even carnage yet.Any fight between Carnage and Venom where they're fighting equally is PIS anyway. Or at least thats what I know. Unfortunately, I don't have scans and I've been trying to take a break character debates so I'm just going to say that and stay out of this one. If I don find scans though, I'll post them.
The scans are on the previous page.
On the scans where Venom comes to Carnage's cell Cletus is Carnage, he's just not covered with the symbiote at that moment because he didn't want to fight Venom after what happened on trial.
Originally posted by Sam Z
[B]The scans are on the previous page.
On the scans where Venom comes to Carnage's cell Cletus is Carnage, he's just not covered with the symbiote at that moment because he didn't want to fight Venom after what happened on trial. [/B]
Doesn't his body at least have to be covered for him to be carnage?
Originally posted by Sam Z
[B]The scans are on the previous page.
On the scans where Venom comes to Carnage's cell Cletus is Carnage, he's just not covered with the symbiote at that moment because he didn't want to fight Venom after what happened on trial. [/B]
He wasn't covered with the symbiote because the cell was stopping him... not because he didn't want to fight, and there were also sonic disruptors stopping him from bonding with the symbiote completely.
Originally posted by Arachnid1Well, he has to be bonded to the symbiote to be Carnage. He doesn't have to cover his face all the time.
Doesn't his body at least have to be covered for him to be carnage?
Originally posted by Sparkz
He wasn't covered with the symbiote because the cell was stopping him... not because he didn't want to fight, and there were also sonic disruptors stopping him from bonding with the symbiote completely.
Sonics do not work on Carnage anymore, but they do on Venom. Still Brock entered the cell and it didn't hurt him, so I believe Cletus could have turned if he wanted to. Also look at Carnage's face when Venom kills all the guards in seconds. "impossible" he said.
