proteus w/reality gem vs house of m wanda

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I"m working hard on pretty much wrecking your heiarchy. And I will succeed.

Give it your best shot.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Once I dismantle that rediculous Theory that the IG actually beat the multiversal UN, then others will come.

😆

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As for that Silver Surfer being connected to the concious, I said that from the scan. I never saw him turn into a universe. He did seem godlike tho. That much I give you.

The LT turned SS into the 616 Universe.

I've seen many Consciousness' getting expanded in Marvel,

I never saw one like the one SS went through,
it was obviously more than a conscious expansion.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And you know I don't care if you dont' like me.

dontgetit

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And it's not cuz I dont' like you.

Which I don't.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Many free thinking people in the world think of you like they do president bush, the man of the hour so they hush up, but in thier hearts, they think of you as a bully and an idiot all rolled up into one. And it has nothing to do with your info, but the way you present it.

Forgive me but this is gibberish.

Saying Wandas warp engulfed the 616 dimension doesnt equate to the universe was warped, its an ambiguous statement. Storm engulfed Earth in hyperstorms. Does that mean her hyperstorms covered the entire planet or is that a more flamboyant way of saying they occurred within Earth?

Your argument is baseless because all of your references are ambiguous. I have statements from characters stating point blank that it was global, that ALL her transformations were global.

So on the statement front you lose.

Major consequences dont automatically mean her initial action had to have been big in scale. Once again the yodelling example. My small shout in the Alps, that small exertion can prove the catalyst for a major town and countryside destroying avalanche.

Wanda was responsible for the Chaos Wave. Doesnt mean she directly generated, maintained or controlled. You can say she subconsciously did this or whatever but wheres your evidence? Speculation just aint gonna cut it son.

Eye Of Agamotto said all transformations were GLOBAL.

Roma said it was global.

Heathers multiversal scanners said there was one global change that saw the HOM reality emerge. She then saw the second change happening on the planet at which point that issue ended. Next issue showed a scene from the planet and it was the No more mutants change.

Wheres this alleged alternate change Emmie?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Saying Wandas warp engulfed the 616 dimension doesnt equate to the universe was warped, its an ambiguous statement. Storm engulfed Earth in hyperstorms. Does that mean her hyperstorms covered the entire planet or is that a more flamboyant way of saying they occurred within Earth?

Engulfed means that the entire thing was filled or covered.

Like "engulfed in flames".

Originally posted by Mr Master

The LT turned SS into the 616 Universe.

I've seen many Consciousness' getting expanded in Marvel,

I never saw one like the one SS went through,
it was obviously more than a conscious expansion.

Ummmm artisitic expression my friend. 🙄

So basically you have NO EVIDENCE that he actually turned SS into a universe. Its just that from how the artist depicted the scene it looked different to how other artists have depicted consciousness expansion therefore you are justified to present as fact the OPINION that LT turned SS into a universe? 🤨

LT states hes just connecting Surfer to the infinite, so automatically you knwo hes attuning Surfer to the infinite. No mention of him making SS the infinite.

The final nail in the coffin is that the handbook supports my interpretation by stating LT made SS one with the universe.

Get the hell outta here with your shit 😂

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Engulfed means that the entire thing was filled or covered.

Like "engulfed in flames".

And if the handbook states that and yet on panel there are various references stating point blank that HOM was brought about just on Earth and that ALL of Wandas transformations were GLOBAL then what? 😕

Various sources in different titles saying the same thing on the same subject. Far greater than a handbook reference. When it suits Mr Master and his argument he'll usually tell you the same thing. 👇

On Panel:

Wanda affected the entire 616 Universe and beyond:

With the line "No More mutants",

Wanda managed to shift Reality causing cracks across "ALL" Realities.

Allowing the Shadow King to slip back into the 616 universe.

On Panel:

Balasco says,

"Two Siblings" (Magneto & Wanda)

"Force ALL of Reality to CHANGE"

On Panel:

Carol (Ms Marvel says,

"She changed the World once huh?"

"Yes, ... but She Altered ALL of Reality"

NOT just the World, but "She Altered ALL of Reality"

hum

On Panel corresponds with the Bio

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again"

(from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 Saturnyne bio)

"She (Saturnyne) was later present on Otherworld

when DIMENSION-616 was ENGULFED in the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp ...

Saturnyne showed little hesitation in suggesting destroying 616 to Prevent the Warp SPREADING"

Here is that scene On Panel,

Satynyne talking about the Chaos Wave or as the Official Bio puts it,

the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp:

"Your Dimension is a Cancer, bringing Devastation to Branes ALL ALONG the SIDEREAL STRING ...

Sparing Yours condemns the REST"

So you're saying that in all my On Panel evidence, and this Bio amongst 4 others,

the Writers were lying? shrug

Nope. None of what you've just posted is anything but ambiguous references which can be interpreted as planetary or global. You have then based an argument on these saturated with supposition.

Not one of those scans says Wandas House Of M reality warped covered the entire universe. Reality 616, is used but as Xmarkspot rightly said previously, such references are interchangeable and its not until a further on panel reference verifies what context that word was used in, that you can conclusively present it as the truth.

My scans actually state the scale. That her transformations were global, ALL of the are GLOBAL. Theres no ambiguity there, no room for an alternate interpretation.

You present scans of massive consequences and try to put this forward as evidence that her HOM warp was greater than global. Once more the yodelling leading to an avalanche analogy comes to mind.

The war can be called her warp because she was responsible for its creation, therefore it is her warp, however she never created it directly as stated on panel. Roma flat out states the Chaos Wave was A RESULT of a GLOBAL transformation. Wandas reality warping was its catalyst.

Once again, just like i've shown you an ON PANEL statement stating flat out the scale, please do the same. No ambiguous references, no big essays of opinion, no reposts, show me where its stated numerous times, by numerous sources in a number of titles like i have. 🙂

When it suits you, on panel is greater than a handbook entry. 👇

I have a number of sources, in a number of titles saying the same thing. It was GLOBAL, there were TWO changes, ALL of her transfromations were GLOBAL. No room for interpretation.

Argument on lock!

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Second time Wanda altered Reality, she Warped the 616 Universe according to Beak.

The Third time (no more Mutants) Wanda Remade Reality, she Re-created the entire 616 Universe this time back to it's normalacy, with the small change of eliminating the power of 90% of all the Mutants.

Rubbish. The time Beak was referring to WAS the "No More Mutants" time, NOT this imagined backwards leakage of Wandas reality warp 😂

Lets settle this once and for all people.

Exiles issue 71:

Heather talks about how her systems rebooted and she has figured out who warped “EARTH 616”

She goes into detail on the next page talking of how Wanda warped THE WORLD

In the above scan it talks of how Wanda is about to warp reality again (For the SECOND time according to Heathers readings from her system) You see Beak and Angel caught up in a flash of white light. End of issue.

Exiles issue 72:

The Intro page summarizes previous issues and talks of how Wanda warped EARTH 616 to create HOM and then talks of how at the end of the previous issue (where the previous scans are from) Wanda warped EARTH 616 again (so for the second time)

First page of Exiles 72, let’s see what changes occurred:

Hmmmm. In the SECOND and FINAL change it seems it was just the global “No More Mutants” change after all. What happened to the third mate?!!

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wanda is a Universal Power,

but she is also an unwitting Omniversal power,

because she can collpase the Omniverse by excersing her power at a Global level,
which was the scale of her First Warp.

Wanda isn’t a proven universal power. Your theory that Wandas reality warp leaked out of the dimensional hole causing the Chaos Wave and simultaneously leaked back into its origin dimension and across it ( 🤨 ) is ludicrous. It is a fantasy concoted so you can keep selling your deluded hierarchy to all who don’t analyse comics for themselves, all who don't know any better.

Its a such a shame that Heather flat out states that it was the WORLD that Scarlet Witch warped therefore revealing to us the context with which she was using the term "Earth 616". Here Heather is beyond reality, using her multiversal scanners and she doesnt refer to how Scarlet Witch warped the universe, or the reality of 616. She refers to how it was EARTH 616 and it was the WORLD.

This is in line with Romas comments that it was a GLOBAL alteration.

On top of that, in the What If series, it features the Watcher of 616 chronicling events across the multiverse which diverge from 616.

In the recent What If featuring the Disassembled Avengers, the Beast spearheads a plan to stop Wandas rampage. In this reality, she is defeated before she gets to say "No More mutants". At the end, when she is killed (along with Cap America who had secretly lost his mind and was in on the whole thing) Dr Strange uses the eye of Agamotto to scan all other realities to see what could have been if Beast hadnt intervened:

If Beast hadnt intervened, then Wandas rampage would have come to an end without the need for Wanda or Caps death (and therefore would have been in line with what happened in 616)

The key points are that the Eye Of Agamotto, (which scans across the multiverse) discovers that

a) in all other(other than this "What If" therefore including 616) realities it was just a peaceful WORLD that Pietro convinced Wanda to create.

b) In all other realities her subsequent reality warping just ridded the world of the mutant gene

c) In all other realities, the transformations were GLOBAL

"In ALL other realities her GLOBAL transformations"

So to sum it up. I have the omniversal guardian Roma stating that Wandas changes were GLOBAL

I have Heather scanning the multiverse and stating that the interference she had reading the 616 reality was caused by Wanda warping the WORLD

You have the Eye of Agamotto scanning across the multiverse and determining that in all other realities the Scarlet Witch JUST warped the world to create House of M and that ALL her changes in ALL other realities were GLOBAL.

GAME

SET

MATCH

GS. 😎

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Rubbish. The time Beak was referring to WAS the "No More Mutants" time, NOT this imagined backwards leakage of Wandas reality warp 😂

Lets settle this once and for all people.

Exiles issue 71:

Heather talks about how her systems rebooted and she has figured out who warped “EARTH 616”

She goes into detail on the next page talking of how Wanda warped THE WORLD

In the above scan it talks of how Wanda is about to warp reality again (For the SECOND time according to Heathers readings from her system) You see Beak and Angel caught up in a flash of white light. End of issue.

Sorry jack, not buying it.

ALL the Exiles issues refer to Universes/Dimensions by the term (Earth-###)

At Marvunapp (Officially sponsored Marvel site)

Terms ALL of Marvel UniverseS as "Earth-###"

http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appalte.htm

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Exiles issue 72:

The Intro page summarizes previous issues and talks of how Wanda warped EARTH 616 to create HOM and then talks of how at the end of the previous issue (where the previous scans are from) Wanda warped EARTH 616 again (so for the second time)

This means nothing.

It does not state that Wanda's Warp was Global,
it just focuses on the fact that the World went white,

no deatils of any kind are given.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
First page of Exiles 72, let’s see what changes occurred:

Hmmmm. In the SECOND and FINAL change it seems it was just the global “No More Mutants” change after all. What happened to the third mate?!!

This,

is just classic BS (GS) in the house, in other words, bull shit

These two scans have absolutely NOTHING to do with information concerning Wanda's Warp,

I guess you figured I'd just overlook this sleazy attempt at fooling the onlookers.

slick, you throw in extra scans, and then post what they supposedly say,
but in fact, you're just adding your own text to the scan.

Nice try.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Wanda isn’t a proven universal power.

I disagree.

According to HOm and many Comics from different titles after that,

Wanda is a Universal Warper that can collapse the entire Omniverse
by exercising her power at the Global level.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your theory that Wandas reality warp leaked out of the dimensional hole causing the Chaos Wave and simultaneously leaked back into its origin dimension and across it is ludicrous.

That's because you're living upto your name sake,

BS = Bull shit Storm, or GS = Galactic shit

I NEVER made any such claim you stinking LIAR.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It is a fantasy concoted so you can keep selling your deluded hierarchy to all who don’t analyse comics for themselves, all who don't know any better.

It's your own fantasy B*tch.

I never said what you claimed I said,

you're full of shit BS.

Enough for today. Produce an on panel scan and statement referring to the Chaos Wave allegedly leaking back from the hole it leaked out of in the first place and spreading across 616 and warping it all. ( 🤨 )

Produce non ambiguous scans stating Wanda warped the 616 universe in its entirety. I have produced scans stating my point on panel. Non ambiguous scans, scans not open to interpretation. "In all other realities her global tranformations" 🙂

Reposting the same argument again after its been dealt with simply wont do. ❌

That will be all. 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Produce an on panel scan and statement referring to the Chaos Wave allegedly leaking back from the hole it leaked out of in the first place and spreading across 616 and warping it all.

Still LYING?

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's because you're living upto your name sake,

BS = Bull shit Storm, or GS = Galactic shit

I NEVER made any such claim you stinking LIAR.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Produce non ambiguous scans

I surely won't produce a "WHAT IF" 😆 to state my case.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
stating Wanda warped the 616 universe in its entirety.

Already did plenty of times,
from numerous sources.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I have produced scans stating my point on panel. Non ambiguous scans, scans not open to interpretation. "In all other realities her global tranformations"

You mean your "WHAT IF" issue?

forgetu

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Reposting the same argument again after its been dealt with simply wont do.

Interesting,

that's exactly what you do. 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I have produced scans stating my point on panel. Non ambiguous scans, scans not open to interpretation. "In all other realities her global tranformations"

I disagree.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its a such a shame that Heather flat out states that it was the WORLD that Scarlet Witch warped therefore revealing to us the context with which she was using the term "Earth 616". Here Heather is beyond reality, using her multiversal scanners and she doesnt refer to how Scarlet Witch warped the universe, or the reality of 616. She refers to how it was EARTH 616 and it was the WORLD.

You kept on and on,

and yet you were Wrong all along.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Engulfed means that the entire thing was filled or covered.

Like "engulfed in flames".

👆

Precisely.