Winter Soldier (Spoilers)

As we all know he's been back, for quite a while now, as we've seen how he's progressed (rather than just condemning the move from the start), what do the posters of KMC think about him being brought back?

And how he's being treated?

I personally really like it, he's probably my joint favourite character at the moment (the other being Iron Fist, coincidentally also penned by Ed Brubaker).

Spoiler:
Also, did you see the way he took down Black Widow in Captain America 27? Pretty darn impressive IMO

The lesson kids? Communism is for pussies.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
As we all know he's been back, for quite a while now, as we've seen how he's progressed (rather than just condemning the move from the start), what do the posters of KMC think about him being brought back?

And how he's being treated?

I personally really like it, he's probably my joint favourite character at the moment (the other being Iron Fist, coincidentally also penned by Ed Brubaker).

Spoiler:
Also, did you see the way he took down Black Widow in Captain America 27? Pretty darn impressive IMO

The lesson kids? Communism is for pussies.

Indeed it is.

Most attempts of bringing back Bucky sucked ass , save this ( a little comic-booky , but what could be expected ? ) and another one (some kind of huge crossover involving Lady Death , Tony screwing up on a bomb which wiped out a galaxy and Dr Druid getting pwned by Dracula) .

Winter Soldier is a bitter, angry ******* whos not too angsty and just enough bad-ass to enough to get a decent 8/10 on anything he touches

Originally posted by grey fox
Indeed it is.

Most attempts of bringing back Bucky sucked ass , save this ( a little comic-booky , but what could be expected ? ) and another one (some kind of huge crossover involving Lady Death , Tony screwing up on a bomb which wiped out a galaxy and Dr Druid getting pwned by Dracula) .

Winter Soldier is a bitter, angry ******* whos not too angsty and just enough bad-ass to enough to get a decent 8/10 on anything he touches

Alot of people were complaining about how Bucky was one of those "can't ever bring back" characters, how it shits over his "death" etc. but I think they have really pulled it off. They've taken a dead character and replaced him with a totally enthralling one, which I never have any complaints about.

He's definetly extremely bad-ass though, he took down Cross-Bones with extreme ease and now beat Black Widow, he also held his own against Cap, thats pretty impressive.

I do hope he sticks around, because Brubaker really did work wonders with his revival (whereas it could have been like Jason Todd's and been utter shite).

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Alot of people were complaining about how Bucky was one of those "can't ever bring back" characters, how it shits over his "death" etc. but I think they have really pulled it off. They've taken a dead character and replaced him with a totally enthralling one, which I never have any complaints about.

He's definetly extremely bad-ass though, he took down Cross-Bones with extreme ease and now beat Black Widow, he also held his own against Cap, thats pretty impressive.

I do hope he sticks around, because Brubaker really did work wonders with his revival (whereas it could have been like Jason Todd's and been utter shite).

Too true, Jasons was a complete rip-off.

Originally posted by CasanoVa

Spoiler:
Also, did you see the way he took down Black Widow in Captain America 27? Pretty darn impressive IMO

And he wasn't even looking at her. 😱

I just finished reading Cap#27 Winter Soldier is bad ass and I love the fact hes out to get Tony.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
As we all know he's been back, for quite a while now, as we've seen how he's progressed (rather than just condemning the move from the start), what do the posters of KMC think about him being brought back?

And how he's being treated?

I personally really like it, he's probably my joint favourite character at the moment (the other being Iron Fist, coincidentally also penned by Ed Brubaker).

Spoiler:
Also, did you see the way he took down Black Widow in Captain America 27? Pretty darn impressive IMO

The lesson kids? Communism is for pussies.

Originally posted by Hercules
I just finished reading Cap#27 Winter Soldier is bad ass and I love the fact hes out to get Tony.

I hope he does get Tony, I hope he gets Tony bang to rights and could kill him and then just decides not to. To let him live in shame of knowing that he'd basically robbed the world of the greatest man to ever walk on its soil.

It's pretty cool that he's basically got an ongoing (well half of one) and I'm far more interested about the Winter Soldier story than the Sharon Carter one to be honest.

Originally posted by Hercules
I just finished reading Cap#27 Winter Soldier is bad ass and I love the fact hes out to get Tony.

Everybody is out to get Tony, thing is Tony Stark isn't going anywhere.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
I hope he does get Tony, I hope he gets Tony bang to rights and could kill him and then just decides not to. To let him live in shame of knowing that he'd basically robbed the world of the greatest man to ever walk on its soil.

It's pretty cool that he's basically got an ongoing (well half of one) and I'm far more interested about the Winter Soldier story than the Sharon Carter one to be honest.

Totally agree. Bucky rocks at the moment. The only way to make it better is to pick up the speed with the whole correspondence with Nick Fury. I love that (With the exception of killing Stark) Bucky is following Fury's orders (Unless Fury's a Skrull or something).

Overall Captain America is by far the best comic out there at the moment ✅

Originally posted by CasanoVa
I hope he does get Tony, I hope he gets Tony bang to rights and could kill him and then just decides not to. To let him live in shame of knowing that he'd basically robbed the world of the greatest man to ever walk on its soil.

That's pretty much what's going to happen 😬

He'll use some kind of EMP or something to knock out Tony's armor, and then just beat the crap out of him.

Originally posted by willRules
Totally agree. Bucky rocks at the moment. The only way to make it better is to pick up the speed with the whole correspondence with Nick Fury. I love that (With the exception of killing Stark) Bucky is following Fury's orders (Unless Fury's a Skrull or something).

Overall Captain America is by far the best comic out there at the moment ✅

I was so gonna make a thread like thois for Jason.

Tilll i saw that everyone despises him bar me.

If there is a cross-over i would like these two top meet,not necessarily fight,but a discussion between the two would be nice.

Originally posted by grey fox
Too true, Jasons was a complete rip-off.

didn't Jason get resurrected before Bucky?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
I was so gonna make a thread like thois for Jason.

Tilll i saw that everyone despises him bar me.

If there is a cross-over i would like these two top meet,not necessarily fight,but a discussion between the two would be nice.

Pfft.. I don't despise Jason Todd, his revival was just unnecessary (imo) and badly done, whereas Bucky's was very well done. In my eyes, Bucky is what Jason Todd wishes he was.

It wouldn't be fair for them to fight anyways, 'cause Bucky would obviously own him, it wouldn't be fair 🙄

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Pfft.. I don't despise Jason Todd, his revival was just unnecessary (imo) and badly done, whereas Bucky's was very well done. In my eyes, Bucky is what Jason Todd wishes he was.

It wouldn't be fair for them to fight anyways, 'cause Bucky would obviously own him, it wouldn't be fair 🙄

Buckies was better done,but just as unessecary.

My ass he would.Bucky was put in cold storage,a 12 yr old Jason woke up six foot under with broken limbs and dug his way out with a fuggin nutcracker. 😛

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Buckies was better done,but just as unessecary.

My ass he would.Bucky was put in cold storage,a 12 yr old Jason woke up six foot under with broken limbs and dug his way out with a fuggin nutcracker. 😛

Yeah, I'm glad we agree far better done. And very necessary I reckon, not at the time, but if you look at what they've done with him so far I think they had plenty reason to bring him back (seeing as Brubaker always planned for Captain America to die even at the start of his run).

Please, Bucky would destroy Jason.. Whilst Jason was out galavanting around Gotham City in tight shorts, Bucky was busy killing Nazi soldiers over on the front.

Anbody that's fought in WW2>>>Everybody Else That Didn't.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Yeah, I'm glad we agree far better done. And very necessary I reckon, not at the time, but if you look at what they've done with him so far I think they had plenty reason to bring him back (seeing as Brubaker always planned for Captain America to die even at the start of his run).

Please, Bucky would destroy Jason.. Whilst Jason was out galavanting around Gotham City in tight shorts, Bucky was busy killing Nazi soldiers over on the front.

Anbody that's fought in WW2>>>Everybody Else That Didn't.

Not far better done,he had to alter Buckies history and personality to pul it offf,and while he did that well,it ultimately cheapened the return for me.Also Jason is now one of he Big Three in countdown,and is the one who's busted the monitors,so he is also very necessary.

Plus,Jason killed Captain Nazi,Hitlers ultimate dream,therefore anything Bucky did=fail.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Not far better done,he had to alter Buckies history and personality to pul it offf,and while he did that well,it ultimately cheapened the return for me.Also Jason is now one of he Big Three in countdown,and is the one who's busted the monitors,so he is also very necessary.

Plus,Jason killed Captain Nazi,Hitlers ultimate dream,therefore anything Bucky did=fail.

Countdown = Crap (it really is, I'm still buying it but it's very inferior compared to 52).

Alter Bucky's personality? No, that's called character development 😬 people change. Alter Bucky's history? No, he didn't at all.. Bucky was only ever presumed dead, there wasn't say a lifeless body laying in Batman's arms.

How was Bucky brought back? Turns out he fell off the planes and was used as an agent by the Soviets, believable IMO.

How was Jason brough back? SBP retcon punch! 😐

Captain Nazi can't be killed anyways, as he's a living symbol of the Nazi party, as long as there are stil Nazis he'll always be around (that's what I percieved anyways).

Bucky punched Hitler.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Countdown = Crap (it really is, I'm still buying it but it's very inferior compared to 52).

Alter Bucky's personality? No, that's called character development 😬 people change. Alter Bucky's history? No, he didn't at all.. Bucky was only ever presumed dead, there wasn't say a lifeless body laying in Batman's arms.

How was Bucky brought back? Turns out he fell off the planes and was used as an agent by the Soviets, believable IMO.

How was Jason brough back? SBP retcon punch! 😐

Captain Nazi can't be killed anyways, as he's a living symbol of the Nazi party, as long as there are stil Nazis he'll always be around (that's what I percieved anyways).

Bucky punched Hitler.

Doesn't mean it's not important,as you and i once discussed,Civil war was a hunk of crap but the aftershock universe is brilliant.

Yes they did.He was originally just a young enthusiastic sidekick but was retconned into being a Nazi killing machine despite no previous indication.he was retconned as well but in a different way to Todd.

I fail to see how keeping someone frozen using advanced cryogenics in the 1940's and equipping them with a robotic replacement is anymore believable then History being altered by a superpowered person hammering away in a nexus of realities,specially whjen both worlds are populated by gods.

Either way,electrocuting everything Hitler worked for>thyen anything Bucky can ever do.