Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'll try to find the link. But this guy put together a good list.
No offense,
but how can you jugde a "good Marvel hierarchy" list,
when you hardly know anything about the Marvel Cosmics at all?
Sincerely, I'm not being offensive. 🙂
The info you know, you've learned here.
Originally posted by Mr Master
It's not a matter of trust.Eveything I claim, comes straight from On Panel occurances or, officially Marvel certified Bios.
The Bios however, MUST correspond with what took place on panel,
otherwise,
On Panel>>>>>>Bio.
Anyway, I would NOT trust a Nvr Hierarchy. Think Galan might have any interest in making one?
Originally posted by Mr Master
No offense,but how can you jugde a "good Marvel hierarchy" list,
when you hardly know anything about the Marvel Cosmics at all?
Sincerely, I'm not being offensive. 🙂
The info you know, you've learned here.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Just like when Silver Surfer became a "universe".
dontgetit
But the Silver Surfer DID become a Universe.
SS became the 616 Universe.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
or when the incomplete IG pwned the "multiversal" UN.
So then there are many untrustworthy cats up in here.
The majority of kmc cats that enjoy this particular subject of comics AGREES,
the UN was then, what it is now.
No info of any kind that says otherwise, so why speculate.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Show me a bio of the Un when the IG pwned it and I can guarantee it wasn't Multiversal back then.
Show me a bio saying the UN wasn't Multiversal.
Originally posted by Mr Master
dontgetitBut the Silver Surfer DID become a Universe.
SS became the 616 Universe.
So then there are many untrustworthy cats up in here.
The majority of kmc cats that enjoy this particular subject of comics AGREES,
the UN was then, what it is now.
No info of any kind that says otherwise, so why speculate.
Show me a bio saying the UN wasn't Multiversal.
What you are doing is called deception. Any marvel comics fan from that time period would tell you the UN is The UNIVERSES most powerful weapon. It wasn't a multiversal weapon. There was no thought of it in mind so of course no one would write a bio saying it wasn't multiversal. Rediculous. Any half wit can tell the UN was a universal weapon and considered as such then. It was only used up until that point as such. So Any feat after that point is invalid. Only feats before that point can be argued. Nuff said.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, but sometimes it has to do with interpretation.
I agree.
Not everything is in black and white.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Anyway, I would NOT trust a Nvr Hierarchy. Think Galan might have any interest in making one?
Galan and Juntai know their info concerning DC cosmics,
heck Galan has picked up alot about Marvel aswell,
especially since he first arrived (Juntai's working on his game) 😂
You too btw,
I would feel safe if I left kmc with cats like Galan, yourself, Xmarks, Exoduscloak, Avalon, Urizen, THOTU (he loves the cosmics, and that's cool) Bran, Leonidas, and Ill12 holding it down,
and there are others but I'm not going to mention them all.
Anyways, yea, Galan could make a comprehensible DC Hierarchy list imo.
Originally posted by King Kandy
The majority? I've never even heard ONE person besides Nvr take the stance that old feats aren't good for non-upgraded characters.
First off, I don't give a damn if you wouldnt' accept my hierachy. Lots of the info I argued Got others pointed in the right direction. Such as the Mxy feat being cannon, The New God's true forms, I was talking about Takion months before a respect thread was made. people wouldnt' believe me until they read it for themselves. SO I dont' give a **** if you wouldn't trust it. I knwo more about DC's cosmics than most anyone who hasn't been reading them for at least 15 years. I know abotu cosmics that have come and never appeared again but are still relevant. Do you know who the Nebula man is? How about the unimaginable? Thought so. And yes I am correct, Any feat done by someone at a later date, cannot be used in an argument. That would be like saying Thanos should have beaten the runner becuz he stood up to Odin. NOT!!! Thanos hadn't had the feat of Odin so It can't be used. Same thing with the UN. The UN did not have the multiversal feat back then, So it can't be used in an argument against the IG.
Example
Captain Marvel Stalemates Superman in 1985.
Superman does some insane crazy feats in 1999-present.
Someone comes and argues that CM is able to do all of these feats and or Stalemate Superman becuz they stalemated in 1985. WTF.
Using a battle they had years ago to support a claim based upon Superman's feats of today is REDICULOUS. And you all are doing the same damned thing with the IG and the UN.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I have read enough marvel to have a good idea. I also have good sense to judge what is only panel for myself and not take someone elses interpretation as law.
As you wish.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Just I like had the sense to know that the classic beyonder only pwned a weaker LT. He never pwned anything like the new LT.
The LT hasn't changed.
He still only operates within the Prime Multiverse.
He exists in all MultiverseS, but his presence and /or existence outside the Prime Multiverse is inconsequential because we never see him out there, in fact, outside the Prime Multiverse, the LT isn't even the same.
The LT calls the Prime Multiverse, "His Universe"
Does the LT have Omniversal power? Sure.
Did classic Beyonder have Omniversal power? IMO, Yes.
Why?
Because Beyonder was everything outside the Prime Multiverse for nearly Two Years.
What's outside the Prime Multiverse now?
The Omniverse,
which includes the Prime Multiverse.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I can use good sense to know that you can't compare the feats of someone that happend in the far past to compare them to current depictions and such.
KK has this one:
Originally posted by King Kandy
I've never even heard ONE person besides Nvrtake the stance that old feats aren't good for non-upgraded characters.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I don't like THOTU at all... His Hierarchy would be one of the worst on the net, I've seen him write it wout a few times with some pretty... Bizzare placings.
Like I said,
he loves the Cosmics, and I just love cats that have a passion for this.
He's picking up, we all take steps, I'm still learning.
I just discovered the Masters of the Matrix (Multiversal power) a couple of months ago.
Originally posted by Mr Master
As you wish.The LT hasn't changed.
He still only operates within the Prime Multiverse.
He exists in all MultiverseS, but his presence and /or existence outside the Prime Multiverse is inconsequential because we never see him out there, in fact, outside the Prime Multiverse, the LT isn't even the same.
The LT calls the Prime Multiverse, "His Universe"
Does the LT have Omniversal power? Sure.
Did classic Beyonder have Omniversal power? IMO, Yes.
Why?
Because Beyonder was everything outside the Prime Multiverse for nearly Two Years.
What's outside the Prime Multiverse now?
The Omniverse,
which includes the Prime Multiverse.
KK has this one:
Utter crap. King Kandy didnt' even understand what I was saying. I laid it out in my Superman Captain marvel example. And in your opinion doesnt count. What counts is what is on panel. On panel the LT was only the judge of one multiverse. SO up until that point, that is all the power he had shown. He has shown considerably more power since then. Without any official upgrade. So stuff that lil theory right out of the window. I debunked your Beyonder theory and IG/UN Theory in one swoop with my CM superman example.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I gotta give it to you for your consistency and drive,but this is one argument you will never win.
I've won it. My logic is thus superior. I can't help it if the masses are ignorant. Doesn't make me wrong. You can't use a present feat of power of an item to back up the power of another item, based upon a defeat from years ago. CM cannot replicate every feat superman has done just becuz they stalemated years ago.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well unless Superman has gotten an official upgrade in power, or some reason for him to be stronger rather then just being written that way, I'd say it's reasonable that Captain Marvel can stalemate him.
I'd say bullshit. We argue based upon on panel feats. You are only saying that now becuz i'm blasting that shitty tactic of using past feats to dictate current outcomes to pieces. The only way to accept that CM can stalemate Superman now is for them to have a current match. Until then, Superman's feats between thier last fight and now have him winning the majority.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
On panel the LT was only the judge of one multiverse. SO up until that point, that is all the power he had shown. He has shown considerably more power since then. Without any official upgrade.
Let me entertain this.
Ok fine, let's say the LT was only a Multiversal power and nothing else.
Fine I agree.
Now,
what would you consider Beyonder then?
I already told you, he was Everything Outside the Multiverse,
(in other words, the rest of the Omniverse, truly Infinite)
"Masses form in the Void, Stars, Suns, and Planet s... LIFE Arises"
"Meeting NO resistance in the INFINITE BEYOND"
"Evolves and Flourishes Within the New Universe,
BEGAT (brought into existence) by Beyonder's Power"
"Mortal Beings giving meaning to the INFINITY in which they dwell"
Classic Beyonder was the embodiment of a truly INFINITE Universe,
that continued to expand until it became an Infinite Multiverse:
"Beyonder, the entity that embodied all the substance of Another Multiverse"
WHAT do you classify classic Beyonder as?
If the LT at this time was Multiversal ... what was Beyonder?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I debunked your Beyonder theory and IG/UN Theory in one swoop with my CM superman example.
Did you? 😆
