Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But a lack of belief is still a belief nonetheless (i.e. it is dis-belief).
No it isn't, and to actually state such a contradiction out loud demonstrates a lack of intelligence. A lack of belief, rather by defintion is NOT a belief. Nor is disbelief. I don't believe in Unicorns. That does not make me a non-unicornist, nor do I believe in non-unicornism. It's just absent from what I do believe in.
Being an atheist is merely a facet. It might possiblt be part OF a belief system- say, Communism or Nihilism- but calling it a belief in of itself is dumb.
To handle your point- should those who do not belief in God get a holiday, no of course not. That;s equally as silly as Non--Unicorn day.
But there are PLENTY of secular-based holidays based on specific things, not NON-things. There are holidays based on religion, and ones not, so both areas are already well served.
hence this thread is meaningless.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
"Um, yeah."Um yeah what?
In what way did the current President of the U.S. imply that atheists have no right to be U.S. citizens? Can you provide a [b]specific instance?
Well, I will be the first to say that you are not possessed by demons just because you are an atheist.
Well, have you raped five people? (You did not deny this that is why I ask.) [/B]
http://www.cyberdespot.com/home.html?jesustricks/bush.html&frames/left.html&frames/top.html
And no, all of those allegations against me are completely unfounded... It just shows that people have attacked me and made false claims based solely on me being an Atheist.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
JIA, belief is for things that you are not in a position to know. I don't have to believe in tables, for example.But I do have to believe in things like justice, fair play, equal rights, and so on.
A birthday is one of the first, not the second.
Technically, you do not know for certain that you were born on your supposed birthday, you only know what someone else typed on your birth certificate and what someone told you. Hence, you are exercising belief and/or faith in your birthdate being on the day that you have come to know and understand.
Originally posted by King Kandy
...George H. W. Bush, not George W. Bush... And anyway, yes I have a source.http://www.cyberdespot.com/home.html?jesustricks/bush.html&frames/left.html&frames/top.html
And no, all of those allegations against me are completely unfounded... It just shows that people have attacked me and made false claims based solely on me being an Atheist.
That was wrong for them to do that to you.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Technically, you do not know [B]for certain that you were born on your supposed birthday, you only know what someone else typed on your birth certificate and what someone told you. Hence, you are exercising belief and/or faith in your birthdate being on the day that you have come to know and understand. [/B]
We know for a fact that everyone is born, so then the belief in our birthdays are completely founded.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Technically, you do not know [B]for certain that you were born on your supposed birthday, you only know what someone else typed on your birth certificate and what someone told you. Hence, you are exercising belief and/or faith in your birthdate being on the day that you have come to know and understand. [/B]
a person need not know any fact........it still makes it no less a fact. I'm sure there are Encyclopedias filled with facts that you, yourself do not know.........it still doesn' make them any less fact.
Any medical procedure is scientific in nature as medicine is a field of science. Events were witnessed by scientists in a controlled scientific environment........their data recorded not just on a birth certificate but numerous places. That is a fact. As previously stated, there are many.....MANY facts I'm sure you personally are not aware of.