Originally posted by Evil Dead
a person need not know any fact........it still makes it no less a fact. I'm sure there are Encyclopedias filled with facts that you, yourself do not know.........it still doesn' make them any less fact.Any medical procedure is scientific in nature as medicine is a field of science. Events were witnessed by scientists in a controlled scientific environment........their data recorded not just on a birth certificate but numerous places. That is a fact. As previously stated, there are many.....MANY facts I'm sure you personally are not aware of.
But how do you know that your particular birthdate was not falsified?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But...how do [B]you know for sure what day you were born on?Aren't you simply going by what someone else told you? [/B]
no.....actually we all remember our own birthdays around here JIA........you're the only one who doesn't. We take no one elses word for it. We remember the date as witnessed with our own eyes as we popped out of our mothers' vaginas.
prove me wrong or a liar. remember, it is impossible to prove a negative.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
no.....actually we all remember our own birthdays around here JIA........you're the only one who doesn't. We take no one elses word for it. We remember the date as witnessed with our own eyes as we popped out of our mothers' vaginas.prove me wrong or a liar. remember, it is impossible to prove a negative.
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Originally posted by King Kandy
Well, come on? Let's see you prove him wrong.I don't see how it's relevant that we get our birthdays from other sources... The sources are very reliable.
no, no........according to him scientific occurances happening in controlled scientific environments with data recorded by numerous scientists in numerous places is not reliable.
but yeah.....he wants to be silly.....we can too.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
no.....actually we all remember our own birthdays around here JIA........you're the only one who doesn't. We take no one elses word for it. We remember the date as witnessed with our own eyes as we popped out of our mothers' vaginas.prove me wrong or a liar. remember, it is impossible to prove a negative.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Okay, now prove Jesus is true.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveFirst prove that He is not true? I know what you are thinking: "you can't prove a negative." But that is not true. A negative can be proven. For example, I do not believe that elephants can fly like dumbo. I assert that flying elephants do not exist on this planet. My proof is that elephants do not have the genetic equipment and wherewithal to fly as birds do. I have just proven a negative.
Well, you perhaps assert that Jesus is not true (I am assuming that this is what you are doing, right?) Well, your job (in this scenario) is to prove that Jesus is not true. You may not see Him but does that mean that He is not true? No! Oh, sorry, I should have said, "no," without the exclamation. But I wanted to emphasize that. Just because you cannot perceive something with your senses does not mean that it does not exist. For example, can you see wind? Can you see radio waves? Can you see gravity? Can you see the fourth dimension? You can see the effect of wind or radio waves or gravity but you cannot see them per se.
But, guess what lord xyz all of those examples that I have provided exist! 💃So, yes you can prove a negative if it truly does not exist. But in this case that is impossible because Jesus Christ does exist. But the burden of proof that He does not exist rests with you not me. My job (only in this scenario and not in the real world in terms of my preaching the gospel) is to prove that Jesus does exist and your job is to prove that He does not.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Um, yeah.George H. W. Bush implied that Atheists have no right to be US citizens... That, is persecution.
I've heard people say that I'm possessed by Demons, since i'm an Atheist.
In fact, i've heard that apparently i've raped at least five people...
I was once asked, in all seriousness, if I was gay because they knew I was a vegetarian.
If I was, I'd openly admit it with confidence. But the point is that persecution and generalizations like that happen all the time. A sad, sad state....anything that isn't mainstream gets labeled ad nauseum, and it's usually the most open-minded people who are the victims.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
First prove that He is not true? I know what you are thinking: "you can't prove a negative." But that is not true. [b]A negative can be proven. For example, I do not believe that elephants can fly like dumbo. I assert that flying elephants do not exist on this planet. My proof is that elephants do not have the genetic equipment and wherewithal to fly as birds do. I have just proven a negative.So, yes you can prove a negative if it truly does not exist. But in this case that is impossible because Jesus Christ does exist. But the burden of proof that He does not exist rests with you not me. My job (only in this scenario and not in the real world in terms of my preaching the gospel) is to prove that Jesus does exist and your job is to prove that He does not. [/B]
you are 100% wrong. good job.
All you can prove is a positive......that you have never found an elephant with the ability to fly or found an elephant with even the recessively genetic trait for wings of any kind. You can not speak for all the elephants on this earth you have not found. Even if you had tested every single elephant on this planet, there's always the chance that a new flying elephant was born in any 1 second interval in a location you were not currently in. Hell......that new flying elephant may have even been invisible.
since you seem to know little to nothing of science........here is why you can not prove a negative of any kind:
For something to be proven fact, there must be physical evidence or data to support the issue you wish to be proven fact. If something is a negative, it never existed. If something doesn't exist, it can not leave behind physical evidence to test.......nor can it create data to record.
there's your third grade science lesson for the day.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
you are 100% wrong. good job.All you can prove is a positive......that you have never found an elephant with the ability to fly or found an elephant with even the recessively genetic trait for wings of any kind. You can not speak for all the elephants on this earth you have not found. Even if you had tested every single elephant on this planet, there's always the chance that a new flying elephant was born in any 1 second interval in a location you were not currently in. Hell......that new flying elephant may have even been invisible.
since you seem to know little to nothing of science........here is why you can not prove a negative of any kind:
For something to be proven fact, there must be physical evidence or data to support the issue you wish to be proven fact. If something is a negative, it never existed. If something doesn't exist, it can not leave behind physical evidence to test.......nor can it create data to record.
there's your third grade science lesson for the day.
But...I think outside of the box and traditional, conventional, established norms.
So, using your logic and rationale you cannot prove that God does not exist (remember: God is a Spirit; hence, He is invisible, but based on your example this does not negate His existence).
Have you only proven a positive Evil Dead?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But...I think outside of the box and traditional, conventional, established norms. So, using your logic you cannot prove that God does not exist (remember: God is a Spirit; hence, He is invisible, but based on your example this does not negate His existence).
"outside the box" has nothing to do with what is a fact and what is not a fact.
you are correct on this one. Nobody can prove god does not exist.....you should just ignore anybody who has claimed such as they don't know what they are talking about.
but remember......only positives can be proven, therefore the burden of proof lies on the one making the positive assertion. If a person says "god exists".......it is their job to prove it. To avoid being confronted with that in the future, as you are incapable of defending your stance as there is no proof for a god...........you should say, "I BELIEVE god exists".
Originally posted by Evil Dead
"outside the box" has nothing to do with what is a fact and what is not a fact.you are correct on this one. Nobody can prove god does not exist.....you should just ignore anybody who has claimed such as they don't know what they are talking about.
but remember......only positives can be proven, therefore the burden of proof lies on the one making the positive assertion. If a person says "god exists".......it is their job to prove it. To avoid being confronted with that in the future, as you are incapable of defending your stance as there is no proof for a god...........you should say, "I BELIEVE god exists".
Thanks for acknowledging that I am correct on this one (I simply used your own logic and rationale).
However, God does exist. You must realize and understand Who God is. God is and/or represents the eminently intelligent Designer or Adequate Cause for all of the complication that you perceive with your senses, moment-by-moment, everyday that you live. There is no other explanation for the origin of matter and life's complexity (i.e. there is no other adequate cause for their existence). The Big Bang and the Theory of Evolution are not adequate causes for the complexity and complication that reality presents.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Thanks for acknowledging that I am correct on this one (I simply used your own logic and rationale).
truth is truth, no matter who states it. That's the beauty of absolute truth......it doesn't discriminate.
However, God does exist.
you made a positive assertion, now prove it. provide physical evidence or data to support your claim. We will then put this evidence through the scientific method.
You must realize and understand Who God is. God is and/or represents the eminently intelligent Designer or Adequate Cause for all of the complication that you perceive with your senses, moment-by-moment, everyday that you live.
that is your opinion, not fact.
There is no other explanation for the origin of matter and life's complexity (i.e. there is no other adequate cause for their existence).
How do you know? You do not even have all the knowledge of the human species.......and the human species only has knowledge of one solar system out of 400 billion in our own galaxy which is only one of billions of galaxies.
The Big Bang and the Theory of Evolution are not adequate causes for the complexity and complication that reality presents.
not being adequate has nothing to do with their validity.....as stated previously, the knowledge contained by the entire human race is limited to one solar system in a galaxy of 400 billion solar systems which is only 1 of billions of other galaxies. Not being adequate neither affirms or negates their possibility..........nor confirms nor negates the possibility of any other theory.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
However, God does exist. You must realize and understand Who God is. God is and/or represents the eminently intelligent Designer or Adequate Cause for all of the complication that you perceive with your senses, moment-by-moment, everyday that you live. There is no other explanation for the origin of matter and life's complexity (i.e. there is no other adequate cause for their existence). The Big Bang and the Theory of Evolution are not adequate causes for the complexity and complication that reality presents.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
truth is truth, no matter who states it. That's the beauty of absolute truth......it doesn't discriminate.you made a positive assertion, now prove it. provide physical evidence or data to support your claim. We will then put this evidence through the scientific method.
that is your opinion, not fact.
How do you know? You do not even have all the knowledge of the human species.......and the human species only has knowledge of one solar system out of 400 billion in our own galaxy which is only one of billions of galaxies.
not being adequate has nothing to do with their validity.....as stated previously, the knowledge contained by the entire human race is limited to one solar system in a galaxy of 400 billion solar systems which is only 1 of billions of other galaxies. Not being adequate neither affirms or negates their possibility..........nor confirms nor negates the possibility of any other theory.
Everything that your senses take in constitutes audible, olfactory, visual, tactile, (and not to mention gustation) and physical evidence for God's existence. For example, would conception of a human embryo be capable without at least two adequate causes: sperm and egg? No? Well, why not? Because without those two minimum components, there would not be enough adequate cause to produce a complicated organism such as an embryo correct?
There is not enough adequate cause (aside from God Who is reputed to be All-powerful) to produce matter's complexity and life's complication. Hence, God must (and does) exist for or because He is the only One capable of creating reality with such fine-tuned complication, wonder, and uncanny intelligence and wisdom.
I hate to give in to the religious folk...but....neither side has a better stance on this issue.
It all boils down to the very first bit of matter or energy present in our universe. You can say it always existed.......but that's no better than saying god always existed.
at this point in time, the human race is incapable of tackling such a question. We can track our universe back to a singularity.......but that's where it ends. We do not have the knowledge to take it any further......and certainly have no evidence to support any claim made beyond. Even if M theory were correct and we could 100% explain our universe from it's very inception.......that still leaves the question of where the matter and energy from the previous universes came from...and so on and so on.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Everything that your senses take in constitutes audible, olfactory, visual, tactile, (and not to mention gustation) and physical evidence for God's existence. For example, would conception of a human embryo be capable without at least two adequate causes: sperm and egg? No? Well, why not? Because without those two minimum components, there would not be enough [B]adequate cause to produce a complicated organism such as an embryo correct?There is not enough adequate cause (aside from God Who is reputed to be All-powerful) to produce matter's complexity and life's complication. Hence, God must (and does) exist for or because He is the only One capable of creating reality with such fine-tuned complication, wonder, and uncanny intelligence and wisdom. [/B]
Not one thing you have just posted or have ever posted is evidence that a god #1 exists or #2 is responsible for anything in our universe if he did exist. Don't feel bad.......religious folk have been talking and talking for 4000 years and still haven't provided any evidence.