Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I was just talking about feats accomplished by people using the PP and the PC.
but if we're comparing, we need to compare the nature of the power itself is all i'm saying.
that's why i think the thread is pointless in that it is unanswerable. everyone is comparing feats and characters who wield both, but that is not gonna get anyone the answer to the question.
imo they are both the same thing. 😬
Originally posted by leonidas
but if we're comparing, we need to compare the nature of the power itself is all i'm saying.that's why i think the thread is pointless in that it is unanswerable. everyone is comparing feats and characters who wield both, but that is not gonna get anyone the answer to the question.
srug It's the only way I see to compare them.
Originally posted by leonidas
imo they are both the same thing. 😬
Then why do they have different names? 😛
Plus Galactus can bestow the PC but the PP seems to be channeled thanks to their obsessions.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
srug It's the only way I see to compare them.Then why do they have different names? 😛
who let you into the corps again . . .?
Plus Galactus can bestow the PC but the PP seems to be channeled thanks to their obsessions.
bestowing does not equate to being 'more powerful'. 😬 and i'm not sure where you got the notion of the PP coming from their obsessions. that idea doesn't really fit with me. it's uncertain where they came into initial contact with the PP, but having lived as long as they have, it's not hard to imagine them coming across this power source at some point or other. i'm fairly certain from what we've been shown of their history, that they had their obsessions first, then somehow came into the PP.
Originally posted by leonidas
who let you into the corps again . . .?
conk
Originally posted by leonidas
bestowing does not equate to being 'more powerful'. 😬 and i'm not sure where you got the notion of the PP coming from their obsessions. that idea doesn't really fit with me. it's uncertain where they came into initial contact with the PP, but having lived as long as they have, it's not hard to imagine them coming across this power source at some point or other. i'm fairly certain from what we've been shown of their history, that they had their obsessions first, then somehow came into the PP.
I'm saying that they're not the same thing because the source is different. There are a lot of people with cosmic power but the only ones (to my knowledge) that call it the "power cosmic" are Galactus and his heralds.
I always sort of assumed that the PP was somehow connected to thier obsessions since in each case it would seem to enhance their ability to follow each obsession.
What are the odds that they would all come across it? When/How would someone like Champion find it?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
conk
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I'm saying that they're not the same thing because the source is different. There are a lot of people with cosmic power but the only ones (to my knowledge) that call it the "power cosmic" are Galactus and his heralds.
but it is fact that the PP is the power of the big bang. the SAME power that birthed eternity who in turn bequeathed some of his power to galactus.
I always sort of assumed that the PP was somehow connected to thier obsessions since in each case it would seem to enhance their ability to follow each obsession.What are the odds that they would all come across it? When/How would someone like Champion find it?
they have been 'brothers' for billions of years and it is not hard to think of one of them finding it and telling the others. or perhaps as they studied, they came across it. i don't know. it's unrevealed how they came across it.
their immortality isn't a result of the PP -- their will to become the greatest at whatever they are 'obsessed' about is what keeps them alive. when one of them . . . loses interest in their pursuit (demonstrates apathy), they die like anyone else. i think it happened to collector's daughter maybe? one of them anyway.
do we know what the true extent of the PP is? no. could an elder proficient enough in its use defeat galactus or bestow it? who knows. no one knows how many elders are out there. i'm saying based on their respective origins, there is no real way to say one 'power' is more powerful -- they are essentially the same. the only difference is the level to which they are being tapped (g can delve deeply into the PC well) and the skill at wielding it.
Originally posted by leonidas
but it is fact that the PP is the power of the big bang. the SAME power that birthed eternity who in turn bequeathed some of his power to galactus.
They would still be different IMO since being a part of Galactus would likely change the power.
But we'll never know for sure. Unless Marvel gets off its collective ass and makes good solid origin for the Elders (or at the very least shrouds them in mystery rather than just utter lack of history)
Originally posted by leonidas
they have been 'brothers' for billions of years and it is not hard to think of one of them finding it and telling the others. or perhaps as they studied, they came across it. i don't know. it's unrevealed how they came across it.their immortality isn't a result of the PP -- their will to become the greatest at whatever they are 'obsessed' about is what keeps them alive. when one of them . . . loses interest in their pursuit (demonstrates apathy), they die like anyone else. i think it happened to collector's daughter maybe? one of them anyway.
do we know what the true extent of the PP is? no. could an elder proficient enough in its use defeat galactus or bestow it? who knows. no one knows how many elders are out there. i'm saying based on their respective origins, there is no real way to say one 'power' is more powerful -- they are essentially the same. the only difference is the level to which they are being tapped (g can delve deeply into the PC well) and the skill at wielding it.
sly Fine. Be that way.
Originally posted by starlock
I think the power primordial was the energy from the first big bang,a pure form of cosmic power...this is from my days of roleplaying the marvel system...its not comics but i thought i would chime in
Well lets put it this way..
Have Elders with the power primordial channeled cosmic energy- i think so
Does anybody know if anybody with the power cosmic has ever channeld the power primordial? i dont think so(going with my theory that PP is a ancient pure form of CP)
The elder are old enough to have been affected by the energy of the power primordial...it has since been watered down as the universes grow and expand
This imo would give the power primordial the advantage..but it is a far out theory at best gotten from my days of roleplaying lol,just me chimming in again 🙂