Originally posted by Creshosk
Where did I say it wasn't?
Originally posted by Creshosk
You can become denser using your own mass... Try to keep up...
Density = mass divided by volume. Hulk stays the same volume, but increases density, so how again does he use his own mass?
Now hurry along back to 8th grade science class. haermm2
Originally posted by Creshosk
Argueing form the art?
Pretty desperate.
Just quit while you are ahead. You don't even know what density even is, yet you expect us to believe you when you talk about subatomic particles? You even forgot what you were debating about halfway through and contradicted yourself.
Anything more you say at this point is just further digging yourself into a hole.
fighting0024
Originally posted by Creshosk
Who's hating Hulk?These two aren't very good at picking up on satire.
Hulk can't exist. it's impossible, in the real world, Superman's powers are impossible in the real world. even more impossible (if such a concept is valid) is the fact that Lois Lane couldn't tell Clark Kent was Superman for so long (glasses????) ❌.
why did you have to make such tendentious arguments?
it's not their failure to spot satire, it's your failure to abstain from self-parody 😐.
Originally posted by janus77
I have to say, it's you that's the problem.
you've gone from mildly engaging counter arguments to insane physics and irrational - arbitrary - application of "science" to comicbook 'reality'.Hulk can't exist. it's impossible, in the real world, Superman's powers are impossible in the real world. even more impossible (if such a concept is valid) is the fact that Lois Lane couldn't tell Clark Kent was Superman for so long (glasses????) ❌.
why did you have to make such tendentious arguments?
it's not their failure to spot satire, it's your failure to abstain from self-parody 😐.
Thank you!
Originally posted by Kutulu😆
Just quit while you are ahead. You don't even know what density even is, yet you expect us to believe you when you talk about subatomic particles? You even forgot what you were debating about halfway through and contradicted yourself.Anything more you say at this point is just further digging yourself into a hole.
fighting0024
You really should stop trolling.
Go back and read what I said again. Although you probably won't understand a second time.
The way the characters are drawn is not always accurate. Especially when bad artists draw a character.
Now I only said that it was possible to use your own mass to make yourself denser. Where does vision get it? He remains the same size (in the art). Even when he makes himself not as dense, he once again is depicted the same size. Its just the way he's drawn.
It's clear from the desperation that you and Alf have exhibited that you can't argue against what I've been saying. It's clear from your insistance that I was saying that Matter=Energy that you can't argue against what I'm saying so have to argue against what you wish I was saying.
That's called a strawman argument and is not valid in debate.
Never once did I say that the volue stayed the same. Did I?
Where did I ever say that the characters remain the same size?
Did you even notice where I said that hulk is said to have gotten his mass from another dimension? No you didn't. You were too interested in attacking me for being "wrong". that you didn't even see where I answered a question you asked later.
Now I'll ask you again, if art is so important why does Vision's volume remain the same when he changes his density?
Originally posted by janus77Dur on me thinking you'd be reaonable.
I have to say, it's you that's the problem.
you've gone from mildly engaging counter arguments to insane physics and irrational - arbitrary - application of "science" to comicbook 'reality'.Hulk can't exist. it's impossible, in the real world, Superman's powers are impossible in the real world. even more impossible (if such a concept is valid) is the fact that Lois Lane couldn't tell Clark Kent was Superman for so long (glasses????) ❌.
why did you have to make such tendentious arguments?
it's not their failure to spot satire, it's your failure to abstain from self-parody 😐.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Never once did I say that the volue stayed the same. Did I?Where did I ever say that the characters remain the same size?
Now I'll ask you again, if art is so important why does Vision's volume remain the same when he changes his density?
You didn't have to; the scan in question shows Hulk at the same size that he is normally at, with Vision in intangible mode trapped inside, ergo the volume remains the same.
Therefore since you said you can become denser using your own mass, you failed the basic formula of density, which is density = volume divided by mass. In order to alter density, you have to either change mass, or change volume. Increasing mass at the same volume automatically increases density.
When you say that Hulk increased his density in order to trap the Vision, and you also said "You can become denser using your own mass..." you invalided the proof and the formula fails. Since the argument was in regards to Hulk gaining mass or not, and there is no evidence within the scan of him gaining mass from the surrounding matter, Hulk logically has to be gaining his mass from somewhere else.
Now if you choose to go along with Hulk gaining his mass from an extra dimension or what-not, you invalidate your previous argument of Hulk being purely physical, because you cannot gain mass (without grabbing nearby matter and adding it) through purely physical means.
So it is here that you tied yourself in a loop logically; either Hulk gains mass from a non-physical source (ie extradimensional, hyperspacial, or cosmic), proving that he is in fact more than merely physical, - OR - he is shrinking in size in order to increase his density, which is disproven by the scan in question which shows his size / volume remaining the same.
When we speak of Vision, who has a whole different base powerset than the Hulk's, then that's a whole other discussion entirely. For the purpose of this debate Vision was phased during the time in question, so the source of Vision's powers are irrelevant to this debate. The Vision in this debate is simply a constant value, where Hulk's density is the variable in question.
Personally, I've always thought Hulk's ability to affect non-physical forms with his punches was weak writing. The writers could at least have tried to come up with something. Also, interesting to finally see the real story behind the dimension thunderclap. It's no big deal after all. 😛
The physics lesson was more entertaining than the usual garbage with Quan. Hulk does draw on an extradimensional energy source, but that does not credit him with being able to do more than punch, thunderclap, etc. And it certainly doesn't put him on par with Superman.
Originally posted by janus77
rofl...
Hulk's just a comic book character, why all this irrational and highly emotional hate for a fictional character?seriously, there some emotionally damaged people in here ❌
Anyone hate the strongest character in comics kingdom. If you are not strong, no one hate you and when hulk's mad he's the strongest of all.