Originally posted by Creshosk
Technically yes. That is a physical thing depending on the energy being used. As Matter(physical) is comprised of the same things that energy is. For example Certain forms of radiation such as an alpha particle which is composed of two neutrons and two protons. Which is basically a helium atom with a storng positive charge, I.E. no electrons.
Ok you're confusing me right off the bat. You're mixing up energy and matter, saying they are the same thing.
Let me explain - matter is energy condensed; energy is not necessarily matter dispersed. One form of energy can be converted or affected by another.
You can convert physical mass into energy, but then it is no longer considered to be matter.
Electrons are a component of stable forms of matter, on their own a flow of electrons is also what makes electricity, another form of energy.
You mention electricity, but electricity again is not matter, it is energy flowing through matter and affecting it.
There are 4 fundamental forces in physics:
* Strong: Currently falls under Quantum chromodynamics, using gluons.
* Electromagnetic: Quantum electrodynamics, uses photons.
* Weak: Electroweak Theory, uses W and Z bosons.
* Gravitation: General Relativity, uses gravitons.
Comic books have additional forms of energy which are not explained by our current physics model, which allows for both affects on types of energy listed above, and new effects never seen before:
* Psionics: Generated from the mind or will, affects psychokinesis. This is chiefly used by mutants, and can cover movement of matter (telekinesis), object deformation (such as bending / softening metal), influencing events, biological healing, teleportation, transmutation of matter, phasing through matter, shape-shifting, energy shield / force field, control of magnetism, control of photons, thoughtform projection, amongst others. This is the chief forte of mutants in the marvel universe.
* Cosmic energy: Generated from the very reality which comprises the universe, in other words a reality manipulating force. This allows for basically almost any known effect, from movement at faster than light speeds, matter and energy manipulation, and even in some circumstances time manipulation. This energy is chiefly used by Galactus, heralds such as Silver Surfer, and the Eternals (although Thanos is a special case since he is both a mutant and an Eternal, leading to his combined use of cosmic energy and psychokinesis).
* Mystical energy: Generated from forces which exist outside of the universe through alternate dimensions. Similar to cosmic energy, a writer can use this to simulate nearly any effect, however, it typically comes from tapping into an extradimensional power source. Chiefly used by Dr. Strange, otherdimensional entities (sometimes called demons), and shard realm rulers and such. Shard realms are basically 4 dimensional bubbles that can either exist on top of, or outside of, mainstay Marvel 616 reality. For example Asgard has links to 616 reality, but other shard realms do not, and must be accessed via alternate means.
* Hyperspace: Generated in the gaps which exist in between realities and universes, outside of the skin of the space / time continuum. This energy is chiefly used by the Celestials, Franklin and Susan Richards, and Hyperstorm. In the case of Hyperstorm, he is using psionic power in order to draw energy from Hyperspace in order to use it. It also apparently exists as a medium of transfer within Marvel 616 in order to overcome the physical limitations of travelling faster than light given under general relativity.
Mostly this is due to an oversite on the part of the writer. having them lift things which should crumble. It's speculation to infer anything more than simple oversite on the part of the author.
I disagree with you here. With Superman they eventually gave way and said that he uses tactile telekinesis in order to explain how he can lift a huge building without it crumbling. Hulk's feats clearly show time and time again that he must be using one of the forces listed above, not defined yet, in order to accomplish these feats. You cannot create energy or matter from nothing. He must be tapping into something in order to gain the extra mass that he has as the Hulk, and in order to get the extra energy that he was emitting during WWH.
Psionic energy has in marvel often times been compared to electrical energy. Not identical but similar enough to cause interactions with each other, such as electricity interfering with telepathy or psychokenisis. On this premise its not so farfetched that astral energy being psionic energy (As we know from the association the astral plane has to psionics) is a form of energy that the Hulk is capable of perceiving. Perciving energy is still a physical thing.
I have covered psychokinesis above. The comic book forces which exist on top of the existing physical forces in the real world can interact with other forms of energy, just as energy can interact here where we only have 4 fundamental forces. Perceiving those forms of energy is therefore simply not possible given our current fundamental forces physics model, without some form of one of the four additional comic book forces listed above.
Again I ask that you clearify what form of energy.
It has never been stated on-panel what the type of energy that Hulk is using. Personally I am leading towards either Hyperspacial energy (as Beyonder stated he had a potentially infinite source of energy to tap into, and Beyonders come from somewhere within Hyperspace, that is to say the ambient energy of the omniverse which exists both in between and outside of the mainstay realities within the multiverse that contain universe 616) or cosmic energy (which seems unlikely as Hulk has no association with Galactus or the Eternals, however, is possible). It is ruled out that it's mysical as no mystical force has ever been revealed by Dr. Strange or otherwise, and he is not a mutant, so psychokinesis / psionics is ruled out as well.
Very much a physical thing, as The vision spread his molecule(physical matter) out thus lowering his density in order to "phase" its not a stretch to say that Hulk was made denser. Still a physical thing.
It's impossible to gain mass from nowhere and become more dense without bringing in mass from the surrounding area. There is never any mention of a vacuum or otherwise when Hulk's density increases, therefore this is ruled out. You cannot gain mass from nothing.
Adaptation is VERY much a physical thing.
To an extent it is, however, adaptation to breathing in outer space is simply not possible. Hulk is sustaining himself with a non-physical force when he can survive in outer space indefinitely.
But it wasn't hulk alone that collapsed that pocket dimension. IT was also the creator of it that was involved. So This has become pointless as it's not really a valid "hulk" feat and has been revealed to be an exageration on the part of the fans.
While it is true that it was not the Hulk alone, no amount of pure physical force can collapse a dimension. In addition no amount of pure physical force can redirect energy in that way that it competely disintigrates matter with a simple thunderclap. Even if Hulk was moving his hands at the speed of light with that thunderclap, it still would have not collapsed a dimension.