Originally posted by carver9
It really isn't. Hulk doesn't have a cap on his power level. As the fight progress he gets stronger, faster, more durable, and his healing factor increases to insane levels.
So you assume he starts with infinite strength? Sure he could reach Superman's strength eventually, but the fight would be over before long before he ever got to that point.
Hulk is never going to be faster than Superman. And flight? Ranged attacks? Environmental control? Don't forget about those.
Also, has Hulk ever regrown his head? Just curious.
Originally posted by Odekahn
So you assume he starts with infinite strength? Sure he could reach Superman's strength eventually, but the fight would be over before long before he ever got to that point.Hulk is never going to be faster than Superman. And flight? Ranged attacks? Environmental control?
Also, has Hulk ever regrown his head? Just curious.
Lol...eventually? Again, Hulk starts off at High Herald strength. What is it you don't get?
Speed jumping. Hulk has range attacks.
Yes, he has regrown his head. You still don't get it. Superman fighting Hulk would amp Hulk. Superman heat visioning him, ice breath, punching him would do nothing but make him more powerful.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...eventually? Again, Hulk starts off at High Herald strength. What is it you don't get?Speed jumping. Hulk has range attacks.
Yes, he has regrown his head. You still don't get it. Superman fighting Hulk would amp Hulk. Superman heat visioning him, ice breath, punching him would do nothing but make him more powerful.
You talk about High Herald strength like its a narrow plateu. Two high heralds can be vastly different in strength.
And it depends on how hard Superman punches him. Hulk punched Wolverine so hard it rattled his brain and slowed his healing factor.
If Superman is playing patty cake with Hulk, yes, he will just continue to swell, but a serious Superman could end it before it even reaches round 2.
Originally posted by carver9
If Superman was fighting a calm Hulk, you'll probably have a point. To bad Hulk would know he is about to get into a serious fight. I think you are underestimating Hulks durability, my friend. ESPECIALLY this version of Hulk.
And I think you are over estimating him and assume he's going to go world breaker in panel 2.
Originally posted by h1a8
PIS is not subjective as it is based off non debatable common sense and a character's history.
Superman doesn't have to blitz ever in his life to wtf pawn Hulk. Using speed =/= blitz.
Superman can hit Hulk one time every 5 seconds. But each time would occur before Hulk can respond. Superman can use speed and his reflexes to avoid Hulk's attacks. No blitz needed. What you need to understand that PIS also encompasses a characters actions. That means the writer would have a character not do things that is in their character to do. For example, ignoring basic powers that are always on (speed and reflexes and super hearing), having a genius intellect but do dumb shit that not even an idiot would do.If a character is genius or gifted then they can think of anything that is considered common sense for a normal rational person. That means Superman won't get beat to death before he realizes he actually has super speed (which is really always on).
Superman can bfr anytime during the fight. It doesn't have to be right away. But he will think of it and do it if he feel he has no other choice. Why? Because he is genius and has common sense. So bfr is an option Superman can employ at any time he feels like it.
Superman can flash freeze Hulk can get free hits anytime he wants.
Superman can stay ranged and HV the shit out of Hulk.
Superman can accidentally uppercut Hulk into space.
Superman can blind Hulk.There is no way for Hulk to win even 1 fight. Superman wins 10/10 and each fight is easy and also fun as hell.
As for the rest of your post, well those aren't tactics Superman is likely to use for a majority and most of them wouldn't really work against Hulk anyway.
If Superman fights serious, with his superior speed, flight and his HV, IB and intellect and fighting skills, he wins this 10/10. If he fights like he does in an average comic it's about 50-50.
Strength is a toss up.
Durability goes to Hulk because of his slightly better HF.
Invulernability goes to Supes.
Fighting skills are also in Supermans favour.
Intellect, Supes easy.
Then he gets his flight, HV, IB and other more exotic abilities.
Speed, that's where Hulk goes down hard in a non comic but Forum fight scenario. Superman can vibrate thrugh Hulks punches and Hulk would be a statue compared to Superman. Hulk is fast, let's even say Supersonic fast but it's still so far below the speed of light, that it will cost him this victory.
Lol at intellect going to Superman. A Hulk that is walking around with Banner brain/intellect. The other powers wouldn't even matter in this fight...like heat vision and ice breath. Wouldn't even tickle this version of Hulk. If Superman is winning this fight (and he isn't), it will be based off his fist. Good to see you Batman Prime. By the way, Hulk is punching Superman just like he punched every other fast opponent in the face.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol at intellect going to Superman. A Hulk that is walking around with Banner brain/intellect. The other powers wouldn't even matter in this fight...like heat vision and ice breath. Wouldn't even tickle this version of Hulk. If Superman is winning this fight (and he isn't), it will be based off his fist. Good to see you Batman Prime.
Superman build the miracle machine ^^ and i consider him even smarter then banner.
'Everything matters as long as it does damage and WWH took some damage. Sure on HV blast wouldn't do much but take 10 or 100, from a lot of sides, like in the Imperiex Probe fight and it will take it's toll from Hulk.
As said, the deciding factor is speed, that's why Hulk goes down hard. Strength is a toss up but Hulk shouldn't be able to connect if Supes fights serious as he did in OWAW.
Yeah good to see ya too.^^
Originally posted by Odekahn
You talk about High Herald strength like its a narrow plateu. Two high heralds can be vastly different in strength.And it depends on how hard Superman punches him. Hulk punched Wolverine so hard it rattled his brain and slowed his healing factor.
If Superman is playing patty cake with Hulk, yes, he will just continue to swell, but a serious Superman could end it before it even reaches round 2.
Did you read WWH? I don't know how anyone could get that impression. His healing factor was beyond a General level. Physical force would not put him down. Superman is not punching his way out of this one.