Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
my beef is not with ur gauntlet statement...yeah.... you should probably stop, and thats by hulks writers
you're resorting to the same kinda thing that 2damnloud does with his Storm = Phoenix Force.
anyway, unlike that piece of fluff, Hulk's powers have been stated as infinite on panel.
from Stan Lee to the present, Hulk's the embodiement of infinite rage and strength... I'll wait until they catagorically deny that, on panel.
Originally posted by janus77
yes, that's quite definitive then, isn't it.
Cyttorak's got infinite powers?
hmm,you're resorting to the same kinda thing that 2damnloud does with his Storm = Phoenix Force.
anyway, unlike that piece of fluff, Hulk's powers have been stated as infinite on panel.
from Stan Lee to the present, Hulk's the embodiement of infinite rage and strength... I'll wait until they catagorically deny that, on panel.
Hulk can't get infinite strength period. That would contradict the definition of infinity. He maybe has the potential for limitless strength.
And know that limitless is not infinity (look at calculus). It just means it keeps increasing without bound (but will never reach infinity in finite time). Hulk would need infinite time to reach infinite strength. And that's assuming he has the potential for limitless rage.
And cyttorak does have infinite power. He is the supreme God of his own dimension. And each dimension as far as I know has infinite energy in it. Someone in another thread stated that Cyttorak even trapped Galactus in his dimension in which big G couldn't escape. And big G wasn't starving either. Someone here even said that G once said that he has problems against magic.
Now with that said. Juggs can be jarred and thus be koed by constant bombardment to the head (without his shield up ofcourse) of supreme physical force. And if Hulk gains enough strength (before he is koed ofcourse) then he wins this all day long. But can Juggs fight with his shield up? If so, then this Hulk is in trouble. But a problem is that Juggs has never keeped his shield up consistently in a fight. Is he that stupid or something else is going on? Which makes me believe that he only lets it down when attacking (otherwise he can't attack).
Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk can't get infinite strength period. That would contradict the definition of infinity. He maybe has the potential for limitless strength.
And know that limitless is not infinity (look at calculus). It just means it keeps increasing without bound (but will never reach infinity in finite time). Hulk would need infinite time to reach infinite strength. And that's assuming he has the potential for limitless rage.And cyttorak does have infinite power. He is the supreme God of his own dimension. And each dimension as far as I know has infinite energy in it. Someone in another thread stated that Cyttorak even trapped Galactus in his dimension in which big G couldn't escape. And big G wasn't starving either. Someone here even said that G once said that he has problems against magic.
Now with that said. Juggs can be jarred and thus be koed by constant bombardment to the head (without his shield up ofcourse) of supreme physical force. And if Hulk gains enough strength (before he is koed ofcourse) then he wins this all day long. But can Juggs fight with his shield up? If so, then this Hulk is in trouble. But a problem is that Juggs has never keeped his shield up consistently in a fight. Is he that stupid or something else is going on? Which makes me believe that he only lets it down when attacking (otherwise he can't attack).
Juggernaut would not be able to KO any of the >> Professor level Hulks, with one blow, in a forums battle. thus it would continue until such time that Hulk's raw physical power overcame the charm of Cyttorak which Juggernaut manifests.
as regards Cyttorak being infinite... I recall a versus thread I created between Cyttorak and Galactus, the consensus was that heavy G would win, had more power and was of a higher order, in the scheme of things. Cyttorak may have a universe at his disposal, but so too does Hulk. yet noone would ever suggest Hulk = Galactus (not even the "fanboys", I hope 😕 ).
Hulk's limited to physical force and Cyttorak's only given a portion of his powers to the Juggernaut charm - otherwise Cyttorak wouldn't be able to keep going would he? - so, it seems to me that (if we get rid of the PC powers and stuff) Juggernaut would always lose to Hulk, after a long drawn out battle.
Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk can't get infinite strength period. That would contradict the definition of infinity. He maybe has the potential for limitless strength.
And know that limitless is not infinity (look at calculus). It just means it keeps increasing without bound (but will never reach infinity in finite time). Hulk would need infinite time to reach infinite strength. And that's assuming he has the potential for limitless rage.And cyttorak does have infinite power. He is the supreme God of his own dimension. And each dimension as far as I know has infinite energy in it. Someone in another thread stated that Cyttorak even trapped Galactus in his dimension in which big G couldn't escape. And big G wasn't starving either. Someone here even said that G once said that he has problems against magic.
Now with that said. Juggs can be jarred and thus be koed by constant bombardment to the head (without his shield up ofcourse) of supreme physical force. And if Hulk gains enough strength (before he is koed ofcourse) then he wins this all day long. But can Juggs fight with his shield up? If so, then this Hulk is in trouble. But a problem is that Juggs has never keeped his shield up consistently in a fight. Is he that stupid or something else is going on? Which makes me believe that he only lets it down when attacking (otherwise he can't attack).
I agree with your first paragraph. It has always been said that Juggernaut has immeasurable strength. He draws his strength from the Crimson bands which in turn in supplied by the Crimson Cosmos, methinks.
Big G wasn't trapped in a dimension. Cyttorak did halt his vessel though.
Juggernaut, at full power, has never been KO'd by any physical means shield or not.
Juggernaut has never lost to Hulk in a straight up fight. First fight he was KO'd by Prof. X and Jean, second a mind control device sent out a psychic backlash wave, and the third time he wasn't defeated.
Originally posted by janus77
by saying he has "infinite rage and strength" I mean that it is without limit as, it would seem obvious to me, infinity is beyond measure/observation. I took the dynamic escalation of his abilities for granted, since it's pretty much stated everywhere else I didn't care to mention it yet again.Juggernaut would not be able to KO any of the >> Professor level Hulks, with one blow, in a forums battle. thus it would continue until such time that Hulk's raw physical power overcame the charm of Cyttorak which Juggernaut manifests.
as regards Cyttorak being infinite... I recall a versus thread I created between Cyttorak and Galactus, the consensus was that heavy G would win, had more power and was of a higher order, in the scheme of things. Cyttorak may have a universe at his disposal, but so too does Hulk. yet noone would ever suggest Hulk = Galactus (not even the "fanboys", I hope 😕 ).
Hulk's limited to physical force and Cyttorak's only given a portion of his powers to the Juggernaut charm - otherwise Cyttorak wouldn't be able to keep going would he? - so, it seems to me that (if we get rid of the PC powers and stuff) Juggernaut would always lose to Hulk, after a long drawn out battle.
Good post. You make a lot of sense. I agree.
But why not Juggs just sit there (or walk in circles) with his shield up?
I mean Hulk can't get angrier if he's not getting hit.
Thus maybe this is a stalemate?
it usually is a stalemate due to the fact that one way or another the fight doesnt get to be concluded.... except against professor hulk. But it is the ultimate opinion of marvel that Juggernaut is above hulk (even if slightly) and is indestructable hence never tired or hurt (not counting magic and current juggy which is no longer linked with Cyttorak, which btw, hulk would completely destroy current juggs)
Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
my beef is not with ur gauntlet statement...yeah.... you should probably stop, and thats by hulks writers
Beautiful scan. I have always said that juggernaut was stronger than hulk since juggernaut power discription says that he has unlimited strength and durability.
Originally posted by janus77
by saying he has "infinite rage and strength" I mean that it is without limit as, it would seem obvious to me, infinity is beyond measure/observation. I took the dynamic escalation of his abilities for granted, since it's pretty much stated everywhere else I didn't care to mention it yet again.Juggernaut would not be able to KO any of the >> Professor level Hulks, with one blow, in a forums battle. thus it would continue until such time that Hulk's raw physical power overcame the charm of Cyttorak which Juggernaut manifests.
as regards Cyttorak being infinite... I recall a versus thread I created between Cyttorak and Galactus, the consensus was that heavy G would win, had more power and was of a higher order, in the scheme of things. Cyttorak may have a universe at his disposal, but so too does Hulk. yet noone would ever suggest Hulk = Galactus (not even the "fanboys", I hope 😕 ).
Hulk's limited to physical force and Cyttorak's only given a portion of his powers to the Juggernaut charm - otherwise Cyttorak wouldn't be able to keep going would he? - so, it seems to me that (if we get rid of the PC powers and stuff) Juggernaut would always lose to Hulk, after a long drawn out battle.
You dont know what in the h*** youre talking about. Youre right about one thing cytorrak did give juggernaut a portion of his powers and that was all of his strength and durability. Do you think that is all the power that cytorrak has is strength and durability, well it aint. That is what he granted to the juggernaut. The rest remains with him.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Juggernauts mystic powers are equal to nightmare, who rules his own dimension... Just saying.Anyway, Cyttorak may be >>>Surtur, but Surtur>>>>>The small fraction of Cyttorak's power that Juggs has.
I agree with the surtur over juggernaut but i dont get the part where youre talking about nightmare. When i posted i was posting that juggernaut is above hulk in all categories.
Originally posted by KillAllthat hulk was weakened and then put in celestial tech to regulate his power(this was at the time of heroes reborn saga)not the true hulk
juggernauts power has been refered to as unlimited also... on panel. but the above news letter was written by writers also. it also mentioned marvel HQ.
Originally posted by carver9🤨 so cytorrack gave all his strength and durability to juggernaut 😐
You dont know what in the h*** youre talking about. Youre right about one thing cytorrak did give juggernaut a portion of his powers and that was all of his strength and durability. Do you think that is all the power that cytorrak has is strength and durability, well it aint. That is what he granted to the juggernaut. The rest remains with him.