Originally posted by johannes
you will be the one to decide on that, whether i just make this up or not.
I'm not talking about me; I'm talking about you. How do you know that you are not just connecting dot and using your imagination to make a story. Kind of like looking at the nights sky and making up constellations. We see them, but they are really not there.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Perhaps, but you'd simply have lots more variations on irrational fundamentalism (not that that's what this is, just that it would happen a lot). I just think that less people should make the Bible their own. Understand it metaphorically based on their own interpretations (if they are interested in that sort of thing) but eliminating it as the primary and final source of how we should live our lives.
Yes, but I admire Johannes' aim at questioning and trying to solve the mystery of the Bible rather than simply accept someone else's fundamental intepretation of it.
I question Buddhist text all the time, and beleive only when I am convinced. that does not make me any less of a Buddhist doing so.
Originally posted by johannes
the bible is a book of symbols and if you decode the bible it must fit right through the bible at any given place like a puzle.
for instance; water is the biblical symbol for spirit, in fact any liquid is in a different manner spirit.
for instance if you read; he was baptized in/with water it has the meaning of baptizm with spirit.
if you read the bible you can try that.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I'm not talking about me; I'm talking about you. How do you know that you are not just connecting dot and using your imagination to make a story. Kind of like looking at the nights sky and making up constellations. We see them, but they are really not there.
well yes, what you see in the sky might not exist for millions of years, you only see the light now. it could be possible to see even moving creatures on a far away planet if you have a nice telescope, but those creatures might have died millions of years ago, but the light only reach you now. the whole universe doesnt at all look the way you see it some of them might even be just a reflection of some thing else.
about the rest; well i have used the meaning of words in the bible to construct a picture of what i say. sometimes it is more than just the meaning of words, it might be a mirrored image or a riddle or a parable. in any case i only quoted from the bible and you will have to agree this is a complete new picture of what the litteral letters tells you when you read.
i have only used the bible and if you know the meaning of the words it pictures itself.
yes it is a complete new thing for the mind, for instance; what is the so-called crusifiction on a hill called Calvary or Golgotah? the word Calvary has the meaning of; place in the scull, and this place is your brain, and then this says; you were crusified in your brain/scull. i will say more about this later.
therefore; i dont look into the sky, but i decipher the words and symbols of the bible to see the true thing.
Originally posted by FeceMan
I don't really believe the Bible is specially coded. It seems pretty plain-as-day to me.
it is encoded to suit our intelligence. as we progress we CAN understand it differently. a long time ago we believed the earth to be flat, now we KNOW its not. there is a difference in believing something and knowing something. believe is to hope for something you dont yet see or understand, while knowledge is reality.
Originally posted by johannes
well yes, what you see in the sky might not exist for millions of years, you only see the light now. it could be possible to see even moving creatures on a far away planet if you have a nice telescope, but those creatures might have died millions of years ago, but the light only reach you now. the whole universe doesnt at all look the way you see it some of them might even be just a reflection of some thing else.about the rest; well i have used the meaning of words in the bible to construct a picture of what i say. sometimes it is more than just the meaning of words, it might be a mirrored image or a riddle or a parable. in any case i only quoted from the bible and you will have to agree this is a complete new picture of what the litteral letters tells you when you read.
i have only used the bible and if you know the meaning of the words it pictures itself.
yes it is a complete new thing for the mind, for instance; what is the so-called crusifiction on a hill called Calvary or Golgotah? the word Calvary has the meaning of; place in the scull, and this place is your brain, and then this says; you were crusified in your brain/scull. i will say more about this later.
therefore; i dont look into the sky, but i decipher the words and symbols of the bible to see the true thing.
But why do you use the bible? Why not the Koran, or the Lotus Sutra?
Originally posted by johannes
it is encoded to suit our intelligence. as we progress we CAN understand it differently. a long time ago we believed the earth to be flat, now we KNOW its not. there is a difference in believing something and knowing something. believe is to hope for something you dont yet see or understand, while knowledge is reality.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But why do you use the bible? Why not the Koran, or the Lotus Sutra?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
forget ALL that stuff. read the mythology of saint seiya/angel sanctuary/shin megaten/xenosaga/vertogi comics.
its a LOT more interesting than the koran or bible.SHAKA VIRGO beats ANY god out there. OMMMM!!!!!!
The flood of Noah.
The flood of Noah.
Let us now see if we can construct a picture of what happened with the so-called flood of Noah.
As I said; the spirit of sin went up into heaven, and made heaven violent, and sin came down unto earth in the form of a catastrophe, a rain of sin or an execration.
The days mentioned in Gen. 6-8, are symbols of a formula. I have not yet give attention to find or decipher the formula, but it is of no importance at this stage, however it will reveal marvelous revelations in respect of time concerning earth in particular.
The LORD said; behold, I even I, do bring a flood of waters (spirits) upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
The meaning of I = existence, the “one” that exist the origin of existence namely a seven dimensional spirit.
The meaning of breath in this respect is described as – the mind, the spirit of a rational being = I --- it is therefore creatures of low intelligence, as we know the creatures of that time were, although many of them had huge bodies, they were in fact dumb beasts but infected the heaven to become violent. You can imagine the masses of spirit these animals send up to heaven.
Gen.7: 11 and 12 --- all the fountains of the great deep broken up and the windows of heaven were opened.
I am not going to give you the meaning of each word but, the fountains of the great deep broken up, can be described as follow.
Earth was ripped open and lava burst out of the earth/out of the great deep namely the inner core, which logically is lava. The meaning of the words used describes it as; it burst open brutally.
These lavas heaped up, creating waves/mountains and then later on sets —ceased; the meaning of the words describes it like that. See psalm. 104:6-8.
Let us now see what triggered off this outburst, the brutal ripping open of the earth.
Gen. 7: 12. And the “rain” was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
These forty days could in fact be 40 years; I must still decipher the formula.
The “rain” described here is NOT a normal rain of water as we know rain and as been told to us in church.
Rev 8:7 the first angel sounded, and there followed “hail and fire” mingled with blood and they were cast upon the earth, and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt.
This describes a meteorite rain, which burnt one third of all trees, and all grass.
Verse 8-9. The second angel sounded and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea; a third part of the sea became blood, and the third part of the creatures in the sea which were in the sea and have life (not breath) died, and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
This could be a huge meteorite that entered earth’s atmosphere and was ripped apart to form a meteorites rain.
This second phase brought death to one third of the life in the sea and destroyed a third of the islands. (Ships as floating in the sea symbolize the islands.) This “mountain” that fell in the sea as well as the brutal outburst could obviously created huge waves like the resent tsunami.
Then a third angel sounded (verse 10) and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers and upon the fountains of waters.
Verse 11. The name of this star is called Wormwood and the third part of the waters became bitter (perhaps as a result of the ashes.)
Apart from the fact that wormwood has the meaning of bitter, it also has the meaning of calamity or catastrophes or curse. We can then also read it as; a calamity has struck earth.
It must now be clear to you that this is directly a result of the curse that the LORD has placed on the earth to wipe out “all” life and “rain water” is not even mentioned.
This “star” – Mars—collided with earth and ripped open the earth, (brutally) it collided on the north pole (as we know north at this stage) and earth virtually cracked open like a nut shell, it burst open resulting to open up the earth and lava were streaming out of her “womb” to create lava waves and mountains and valleys formed when these lava waves ceased. Furthermore the bible says earth was split in three.
Furthermore, Mars “dropped” some of its water on earth resulting into waves of mud and water higher than mountains.
This “hail and fire” were also on Mars and the Moon, the Moon is a clear picture of the damage done by this meteorite rain.
It has killed all life on the Moon and slowly killed the life on Mars while Earth is also slowly dying.
Mars the Moon and Earth were forced out of their orbit, and this resulted that all celestial bodies, at least in our solar system were forced out of their normal orbit and one third of all planets with life died.
Isai. 24:1. Behold the Lord make the Earth empty and make it waste and turned it upside down.
North as we know it, previously was south, therefore the collision was in the south. Earth is now also leaning 10 degrees backwards from its previous position.
Verses 19-20. The Earth is utterly broken down, the Earth is clean dissolved (by waves and waves of lava) the Earth is moved exceedingly (by the impact of the collision) and shall be removed like a cottage.
Verse 20. The Earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard.
This reeling to and fro must have lasted a long time after the collision it is like throwing a cork in water that reels to and fro until it settles.
You can now imagine why the bible say there were waves or “water” higher than mountains because this reeling to and fro would probably have created waves higher than mountains, Gen 7:20. However nowhere is rain like water mentioned in the meaning of these words therefore it is simply not true, a lie to say it was rainwater coming from heaven and water out of “fountains” of the earth. The fountains are clearly described as lava.
The description of “water” could be; waves of lava or/and mud and water and it surely took a long, long time before the Earth became stable again.
Scientists should now understand and find what they were looking for all these years.
Scientists could perhaps work out what implications this had to our solar system.
You must remember that we always deal with parables, mirrored images and riddles.
To tell us that Noah has build a ship which were floating on the “waters” for one year, and that the water that was higher than mountains disappeared in one year as we were told in church and in school simply don’t make sense, rather it is an insult to ones “scientific” mind.
I am not a scientist to say how long it took for the “waters” to settle, but if I say 360000 years it will surely be more accurate than to say it took one year, for where did all the water go in one year, that is if it is to be “true” the way we were told; however we will decipher the formula given to us in Gen 6-8 and tell you exactly how long it took.
At least scientists say that 85% of all life was wiped out in the unknown past. We could also now imagine why some creatures are buried meters under soil or rather mud or lava, some of them were caught with food still in their mouths. We also know that our climate has changed dramatically, and surely we can now imagine why. As a result of the collision and the brutal “opening up “ of the Earth, earth “enlarged, multiplied” became bigger.
If we decipher the meanings of words used in Gen 6-8 it tells us that Earth was enwrapped in darkness (dust/ash clouds) and the “waters prevailed for a hundred and fifty days” perhaps 150000 years. It probably took thousands of years before life could really progress.
Summary
You can now understand that the flood was a flood of sin and not a “sun flood of rain”.
You can clearly understand the lies told to us; to mention one; it was not a flood of rain as we have been told in church.
Sin is directly responsible for the catastrophe that “hit” earth.
It is clear that earth was ripped open and lava was flowing out of the inner core and this is described as the fountains of earth that opened up.