Originally posted by Creshosk
I've removed the fat and redundant bits:
I'm sorry. I fail to see how that's irksome to you. It's the subject of music, and we like what we like. Everyone's taste is different.
It would be condescending if that extended to the matter of everything, but it does not. It would worse if I did not value the opinions of others, even if I disagree with them, which I do not. Without contraries there can be no progress et cetera, et cetera.
What's more is that you say "the Brits", generalising all. That's not clever.
So that's why its ingrained.. they don't even see it. How can you fix a problem you can't see?
Originally posted by exanda kaneWho said it was irksome. I find it rather amusing.
I'm sorry. I fail to see how that's irksome to you.
Originally posted by exanda kaneThis part is right.
It's the subject of music, and we like what we like. Everyone's taste is different.
Originally posted by exanda kaneNot really. Just assuming an air of superiority makes it fit the definition. And saying that your tastes are better or superior certainly makes you do that.
It would be condescending if that extended to the matter of everything,
Originally posted by exanda kaneSaying that your opinion is better than anothers even if acknowledgeing that they are opinions is not exactly the best way to show that you value them.
but it does not. It would worse if I did not value the opinions of others, even if I disagree with them, which I do not.
Originally posted by exanda kaneOr I could be refering to two posters in particular who both happen to be from london and both happened to condesend.
Without contraries there can be no progress et cetera, et cetera.What's more is that you say "the Brits", generalising all. That's not clever.
Which is what I did.
First off, I don't like engaging in these tiresome rants but I will indulge myself. Lucky us.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So that's why its ingrained.. they don't even see it. How can you fix a problem you can't see?
I was willing to try and appeal to some kind of common sense within you. Now you have said that I see that's not going to happen. you said this.
Who said it was irksome. I find it rather amusing.Oh, it amuses you, does it? How very crass.
Not really. Just assuming an air of superiority makes it fit the definition. And saying that your tastes are better or superior certainly makes you do that.
And how did I assume an air of superiority? Perhaps you just want to be an awkward git and express your teen angst and hatred for the world against an innocent speaker. All I can say is please look after yourself. Perhaps some of us are tired of small talk and might as well admit the obvious while we can, the obvious being that we believe what we believe, and disagree with what we disagree with. That's not condescending, and it's not being sickophantic.
Saying that your opinion is better than anothers even if acknowledgeing that they are opinions is not exactly the best way to show that you value them.
Why beat around the bush? Why not be honest? You seem to be attempting to personally attack me, which you may subsequently deny instantly, but you ridicule your own intelligence by directing your crap at me and then attempt to pass the fact that every person from Britain is the same. Then you attempt to argue semantics, while not even speaking sense.
Or I could be refering to two posters in particular who both happen to be from london and both happened to condesend.
You still have not satisfactorily explained how I condescend people. You've spilled some biased crap over the keyboard in some void attempt to congratulate yourself on being woefully ignorant and proud.
Originally posted by exanda kane
First off, I don't like engaging in these tiresome rants but I will indulge myself. Lucky us.I was willing to try and appeal to some kind of common sense within you. Now you have said that I see that's not going to happen. you said this.
Oh, it amuses you, does it? How very crass.
And how did I assume an air of superiority? Perhaps you just want to be an awkward git and express your teen angst and hatred for the world against an innocent speaker. All I can say is please look after yourself. Perhaps some of us are tired of small talk and might as well admit the obvious while we can, the obvious being that we believe what we believe, and disagree with what we disagree with. That's not condescending, and it's not being sickophantic.
Why beat around the bush? Why not be honest? You seem to be attempting to personally attack me, which you may subsequently deny instantly, but you ridicule your own intelligence by directing your crap at me and then attempt to pass the fact that every person from Britain is the same. Then you attempt to argue semantics, while not even speaking sense.
You still have not satisfactorily explained how I condescend people. You've spilled some biased crap over the keyboard in some void attempt to congratulate yourself on being woefully ignorant and proud.
"Oh, it amuses you does it? How very crass."
You completely destroyed him! I've got to say that was pretty well-said, well done.
I can't wait to see his response.
Originally posted by The Grey Fox
"Oh, it amuses you does it? How very crass."You completely destroyed him! I've got to say that was pretty well-said, well done.
I can't wait to see his response.
Woah, hold your guns there. I'd rather not argue and I'd rather he didn't continue this vaunted thread, especially when he/she seems to enjoy being anglophobic.
That's true, I might just fuel another rant from him! KK, sorry I'll stay out of this for now... but to be fair, you crushed his arguemets.
It's pretty sad that he has something against the British, I'm not a big fan of America but I don't go about calling them Rednecks or morns, because there are lots of them and their attitudes are varied.
Originally posted by exanda kane
I certainly didn't suggest they weren't a superpower, but reinforcing Ush's rant that the Empire wasn't backed up by leagues of Redcoats.Most of the reason for the Empire's success was due to coincidence involving other European powers, who if given the chance, would have expanded like the naval power Britain became. It wasn't because the military was huge, but simply because competition was so far behind.
Superpowers "loosing" to smaller, guerilla parties is hardly rare in the 20th century.Of course, we did have the Death Star.
I never claimed that Britain had an endless supply of soldiers nor ever mentioned it's size for that matter; I even stated that having "more soldiers" doesn't necessarily mean you're more powerful.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yes, in terms of military.The British Empire was a trading Empire built on canny politics. The amount of force backing it was absolutely tiny. It was ruled in co-operation with local rulers who collaborated because thr British made them extremely rich.
Successful military operations were almost always against primitive cultures. We had ONE good army in the period and that is the one that fought in the Pensinsular. Even that was relatively tiny.
The British had a powerful navy and that was borne out in the Revolution- it was American ports being blockaded, not British. But that could never make any difference in a conflict that was all about who the populace favoured, not who won battles.
But in general terms of military might just about every European power was more powerful than Britian. Even navy-wise, other nations built more ships and better ships; British crew standards were simply higher.
I actually know this period of history; your comment betrays enormous ignorance. Your link, incidentally, is pointless.
First, when I made the comment, I was being a "comical-ass" in return to the post I responded to, as stated. Second, I never mentioned that Britain had a powerful military solely because of it's size; I even clarified that later, by saying more soldiers doesn't equal a stronger military as a default.
"Higher Standards" do account for military might though, ancient Sparta is an example of that.
Do you think it's possible that you're not the only person who knows British history? That was one of many links, as noted.
Originally posted by Robtard
I never claimed that Britain had an endless supply of soldiers nor ever mentioned it's size for that matter; I even stated that having "more soldiers" doesn't necessarily mean you're more powerful.
But you did say in disbelief:
So they conquered, controlled and amassed colonies throughout the world while being weak?
In many ways during this period in history, the British Empire's stability was tepid. Opportune expansion was all that saved it. the power of coin prolonged it.
You also said:
the worlds most powerful military (at the time)
It could plausible, but it was not true. Countries like France were still strong, it's land army still large and efficient, but it could not function as a maritime power like Britain.
All in all, this isn't something to have a major disagreement about, but the Empire's army was not a great machine of war as could be expected. It's a moot point at the end of the day.
Originally posted by exanda kane
But you did say in disbelief:In many ways during this period in history, the British Empire's stability was tepid. Opportune expansion was all that saved it. the power of coin prolonged it.
You also said:
It could plausible, but it was not true. Countries like France were still strong, it's land army still large and efficient, but it could not function as a maritime power like Britain.
All in all, this isn't something to have a major disagreement about, but the Empire's army was not a great machine of war as could be expected. It's a moot point at the end of the day.
My disbelief was in part to Ush's 'Not even close' bit about the military, when Britain's navy was known for it's power and the discipline of it's soldiers.
...and when I said that, I was responding to who and for what purpose? (we covered this already)
I never said Britain was a "10" while everyone else is/was a "1"... France, Spain, the Dutch etc., yes, Britain had competition, I never claimed otherwise.
You conflict your points, Britain had a powerful navy, yet it wasn't a "great machine of war", ever?
Originally posted by exanda kanedoh Didn't see Robtard's Joke? That was a follow up on his joke.
First off, I don't like engaging in these tiresome rants but I will indulge myself. Lucky us.I was willing to try and appeal to some kind of common sense within you. Now you have said that I see that's not going to happen. you said this.
Originally posted by exanda kaneYes, because you're so superior to me that you have to call me undignified like that. 🙄
Oh, it amuses you, does it? How very crass.
Originally posted by exanda kaneBy saying your opinion was better. Didn't read that part or didn't comprehend it the first time?
And how did I assume an air of superiority?
Originally posted by exanda kaneOr prehaps I enjoy pointing out the obvious to those oblivious to it?
Perhaps you just want to be an awkward git and express your teen angst and hatred for the world against an innocent speaker.
Originally posted by exanda kaneBut saying your opinion is better is. 😆
All I can say is please look after yourself. Perhaps some of us are tired of small talk and might as well admit the obvious while we can, the obvious being that we believe what we believe, and disagree with what we disagree with. That's not condescending, and it's not being sickophantic.
Originally posted by exanda kaneWait wait wait.. First I'm attacking you personally and then I'm saying every british person is the same?
Why beat around the bush? Why not be honest? You seem to be attempting to personally attack me, which you may subsequently deny instantly, but you ridicule your own intelligence by directing your crap at me and then attempt to pass the fact that every person from Britain is the same. Then you attempt to argue semantics, while not even speaking sense.
So which is it? am I attacking you for you, or am I attacking you cause because of your nationality?
Here's a hint: I don't generalize. That's right I'm doing this on an individual basis. You'll note that I didn't go after The Grey Fox's response because he laughed about it. You took it serious so I'm attempting to knock you down a few pegs so you can gain a sense of humor.
Originally posted by exanda kaneOf course not. Because you're in denial.
You still have not satisfactorily explained how I condescend people.
You said your opinion was better than someone else's opinion.
That is a fact. And that is condesending. Though calling me crass for finding your carelessly chosen words amusing is borderline as well. But hey, you're attacking me so its understandable to make a jab in any way you can.
Originally posted by exanda kaneBiased? It has nothing to do with anyone else. Just the boiled owl in front of me.
You've spilled some biased crap over the keyboard in some void attempt to congratulate yourself on being woefully ignorant and proud.
Originally posted by exanda kaneAnglophobic? Pssh. It has nothing to do with the rest of your country or your culture. Just you.
Woah, hold your guns there. I'd rather not argue and I'd rather he didn't continue this vaunted thread, especially when he/she seems to enjoy being anglophobic.
Hell, If I was anglophobic I wouldn't have made this joke:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/362941_2614-esoteric-kmc-missives#post9259704
Cause I certainly wouldn't have known the source material.
You're a right snobbish sort, thinkin my japes at you reflect what I think of all of you across the pond. Blimey, you'd think you were the representitive the way you be presenting yourself. Cheer govner!
Originally posted by Creshosk
But saying your opinion is better is.
But you agreed with me, did you not? Musical opinion and taste are all subjective. If you do not like something then it is usually on the pretense that it does not suit our taste. If something suits my taste, then it is good, if something does not, then it's bad. Something that suits my taste is better than something that does not, yes?
Wait wait wait.. First I'm attacking you personally and then I'm saying every british person is the same?
Yes, wait indeed. While you may intend to attack me personally for whatever reasons you can fathom, you can only conclude that the rest of my fabled countrymen are the same.
Here's a hint: I don't generalize. That's right I'm doing this on an individual basis. You'll note that I didn't go after The Grey Fox's response because he laughed about it. You took it serious so I'm attempting to knock you down a few pegs so you can gain a sense of humor.
Here's a teeny bit of evidence.
This may be a bad observation but are the Brits condescending again?
Oh, of course, there's obviously a very neat excuse you have planned, but save it for the parade. You and your "sense of humour" have proven yourself prolificly drab, not to mention contradictory.