Before doesn't mean anything.
After....I don't see much.
If you want to interpret that somewhat shiny arm as Emma in diamond form, so be it, but IMO a centimeter worth of forearm isn't enough for this uproar of "zomg bad writeeen."
She didn't even have a speech bubble. She wasn't in anyway part of the story. As not even a supporting character in the middle ground, it was a color misinterpretation by the artist at best
If she was standing there as a full blown engagement ring with her front towards the viewer, I would understand. But she isn't, so I don't.
Originally posted by What If...😐
Before doesn't mean anything.
After....I don't see much.If you want to interpret that somewhat shiny arm as Emma in diamond form, so be it, but IMO a centimeter worth of forearm isn't enough for this uproar of "zomg bad writeeen."
She didn't even have a speech bubble. She wasn't in anyway part of the story. As not even a supporting character in the middle ground, it was a color misinterpretation by the artist at bestIf she was standing there as a full blown engagement ring with her front towards the viewer, I would understand. But she isn't, so I don't.
Originally posted by What If...She arrived in diamond form. Before... means that she was in diamond form immediately before, up until, as Xavier is using telepathy. After... Meh, I see completely white shoulders. Unless she's suddenly become albino I'm assuming diamond form.
Before doesn't mean anything.
After....I don't see much.
Writers communicate their intentions to artists in the scripts they write.
"Big panel - three quarters of page.
Astonishing X-Men stand in front of the Blackbird.
Shadowcat is half phased into the Blackbird, Lockheed is on her shoulder.
Colossus is armored up and Emma is in diamond form..."
Even if she wasn't in diamond form that Emma would fall to "sad feedback" when she recently entered Rogue's mind filled with 8 billion recently deceased people, casualties of a terrible war, is still irksome.
It was of course a single (foreshadowing) example of a writer not knowing characters (my guess), writer/artist not communicating (your guess), or editor not paying enough attention (in either case) from a mediocre comic in a crossover where making the Hulk look good will presumably involve bad writing of other characters. It doesn't compare to the Black Panther cosmic armbar... but then whatever uproar there has been has been proportionately limited.
Seeing the previews for WWH😘-Men #2 doesn't exactly make one optimistic that the X-Men will be fighting to their best. Shadowcat... intangible. Hulk... brawler. Shadowcat out by page 7. 😖
Julian Keller should have just BFRed him the moment he arrived at the mansion. Instead he was stupid and tried to hold him down.
Are you sure Julian could BFR at his current powerlevel? I thought he was toned down a bit, since he couldn't handle the increase. But yeah, he could still do a BFR though.
The people doing WWH are obviously very fixed on establishing Hulk as the #1 brawler, which I think they could've done without turning every single character into idiots and making them go hand to hand. Don't they realize that characters actually have histories? The new warriors and x-men weren't made to be minor Hulk characters and villains (except Wolverine) so it's just ridiculous that he's portraying them like this.
Originally posted by llagrok
Are you sure Julian could BFR at his current powerlevel? I thought he was toned down a bit, since he couldn't handle the increase. But yeah, he could still do a BFR though.The people doing WWH are obviously very fixed on establishing Hulk as the #1 brawler, which I think they could've done without turning every single character into idiots and making them go hand to hand. Don't they realize that characters actually have histories? The new warriors and x-men weren't made to be minor Hulk characters and villains (except Wolverine) so it's just ridiculous that he's portraying them like this.
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Originally posted by llagrokHes already the number 1 brawler(maybe tied with juggs)but now he has a bit of common sense when fighting and can channel his anger when he needs it,how are they making everyone fight like idiots...hulk kod julian before he could BFR him and there was no nightcrawler
Are you sure Julian could BFR at his current powerlevel? I thought he was toned down a bit, since he couldn't handle the increase. But yeah, he could still do a BFR though.The people doing WWH are obviously very fixed on establishing Hulk as the #1 brawler, which I think they could've done without turning every single character into idiots and making them go hand to hand. Don't they realize that characters actually have histories? The new warriors and x-men weren't made to be minor Hulk characters and villains (except Wolverine) so it's just ridiculous that he's portraying them like this.
Originally posted by strengthkills
Hes already the number 1 brawler(maybe tied with juggs)but now he has a bit of common sense when fighting and can channel his anger when he needs it,how are they making everyone fight like idiots...hulk kod julian before he could BFR him and there was no nightcrawler
everyone else performed to the best of their abilities
Yeah right, best of their abilities my ass.
Cass turning her hands into maces, what was she hoping to do, beat him to death? If she had any brains at all, which she normally has, she would've turned her hands into blades.
Hellion attempted to hold Hulk down, which was just stupid. If he had tried to BFR Hulk when he was holding back instead of holding him down, the fight wouldn't have ended as quickly. Or perhaps Noriko could've tried using her speed a little, but no.
Originally posted by llagrokthe blades would have done...what exactly(look at wolverine and the x-23 chick)
Yeah right, best of their abilities my ass.Cass turning her hands into maces, what was she hoping to do, beat him to death? If she had any brains at all, which she normally has, she would've turned her hands into blades.
Hellion attempted to hold Hulk down, which was just stupid. If he had tried to BFR Hulk when he was holding back instead of holding him down, the fight wouldn't have ended as quickly. Or perhaps Noriko could've tried using her speed a little, but no.
Originally posted by strengthkills
[BHellion is a hero why would he bfr hulk and make him someone elses problem 🙂
norikos speed huh
Hulk's faster than most give him credit. Ask Quicksilver. IH #175
http://img144.exs.cx/img144/2600/quicksilver9xj.jpg [/B]
Old school Quicksilver? How impressive!
Sorry, but throwing in scans from the Hulk respect thread, that we've all seen, isn't going to make you credible.
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the blades would have done...what exactly(look at wolverine and the x-23 chick)
As for Wolverine and X-23 - they did the most damage out of anyone in the group.
If you are seriously saying the X-men were written to the best of their abilities, you are an idiot.
X-23 gets caught the second she throws herself at him? Sorry, but X-23 has shown to be much more skilled than that.
Dust gets 2 inches from him and spews him with dustbunnies? She could have easily shed off his face, from a distance, while his healing factor was down.
Mercury flailing her club arms around - nuff said.
Hellion 😆 - nuff said.
Rockslide had the only decent portrayal, while still offering some comic relief eh.
Originally posted by What If...so providing scans/evidence doesnt make the argument more credible.....no comment,think about what you just said.
Old school Quicksilver? How impressive!
Sorry, but throwing in scans from the Hulk respect thread, that we've all seen, isn't going to make you credible.
❌As for Wolverine and X-23 - they did the most damage out of anyone in the group.
If you are seriously saying the X-men were written to the best of their abilities, you are an idiot.
X-23 gets caught the second she throws herself at him? Sorry, but X-23 has shown to be much more skilled than that.
Dust gets 2 inches from him and spews him with dustbunnies? She could have easily shed off his face, from a distance, while his healing factor was down.
Mercury flailing her club arms around - nuff said.
Hellion 😆 - nuff said.Rockslide had the only decent portrayal, while still offering some comic relief eh.
Originally posted by strengthkills
so providing scans/evidence doesnt make the argument more credible.....no comment,think about what you just said.
did you read planet hulk,if not read it and get back to me about the speed thing.
Dust would have been dispersed by the thunderclap wether she was 2 inches or 20 feet away,not to mention hulk has blown down forests by simply blowing or do i need to post a scan or do you remember seeing one in his respect thread.... you know the respect thread that you know so well.
Mercury last i checked she couldnt get her blades as sharp as adamantium meaning they wouldnt be nearly as effective as wolverines or x-23's,hence she wouldnt be a factor.
Hellion wasnt given a chance to perform cause hulk took him out immediately,with a thunderclap,a thunderclap that has taken out much more durable opponents.
So please i dont want to hear this "jobber"crap because its not true
hulk in the old days would have made a fool of this group, they are 3rd rate at best.
dur
I hope you realize that pretty much every member that posts in the comics forum thinks you're a complete dur? Not in the good way.
Last time you checked what? You don't need adamantium quality metal in order to pierce the Hulk's eyes. Nor do you need any form of superhuman strength. Knives would've been more effective, simple as that.
Hellion was given the chance. He held down Hulk didn't he? That's when he could've done something useful instead of trying to restrain him. Hellion's not so stupid that he'd try to restrain him, he knows better.
Dust isn't "dispersed" and she certainly won't be by a simple thunderclap. That's just wrong. You really need to decide though, is i shockwave, sonic, energy? His thunderclap seems to chance every thread.
Hulk being able to hit the old Quicksilver doesn't make him particularly fast. Many people have done that and Surge has better speed feats than the old Quicksilver. Apocalypse hit Quicksilver easily.
3rd rate teams don't take down Nimrod. Nimrod could easily beat the Hulk.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotThe Hulks entire planet died (Full of not just ONE sentient Race, but a FEW) with the exception of an armada. I think his "Sad Feedback" is a bit stronger as I bet there were more than 8 Million people on that planet. Not to mention Didn't Xavier just get his powers back? So maybe he didn't proceed correctly?Even if she wasn't in diamond form that Emma would fall to "sad feedback" when she recently entered Rogue's mind filled with 8 billion recently deceased people, casualties of a terrible war, is still irksome.
I know I'm grasping at straws a little bit but give the Writer SOME credit. People are so quick to judge things.
Originally posted by Blight
The Hulks entire planet died (Full of not just ONE sentient Race, but a FEW) with the exception of an armada. I think his "Sad Feedback" is a bit stronger as I bet there were more than 8 Million people on that planet. Not to mention Didn't Xavier just get his powers back? So maybe he didn't proceed correctly?I know I'm grasping at straws a little bit but give the Writer SOME credit. People are so quick to judge things.
From what we saw, there wasn't that many inhabitants on Sakaar and unless Hulk was mindlinked with every one of them, there shouldn't be that much feedback.
From what we've seen by Pak, Endsong in example, he likes to disregard old comics. Even though I didn't mind it, many people disagreed with how he just suddenly gave Kid Omega telekinesis.
Originally posted by llagrokYes you are one to talk
durI hope you realize that pretty much every member that posts in the comics forum thinks you're a complete dur? Not in the good way.
Last time you checked what? You don't need adamantium quality metal in order to pierce the Hulk's eyes. Nor do you need any form of superhuman strength. Knives would've been more effective, simple as that.
Hellion was given the chance. He held down Hulk didn't he? That's when he could've done something useful instead of trying to restrain him. Hellion's not so stupid that he'd try to restrain him, he knows better.
Dust isn't "dispersed" and she certainly won't be by a simple thunderclap. That's just wrong. You really need to decide though, is i shockwave, sonic, energy? His thunderclap seems to chance every thread.
Hulk being able to hit the old Quicksilver doesn't make him particularly fast. Many people have done that and Surge has better speed feats than the old Quicksilver. Apocalypse hit Quicksilver easily.
3rd rate teams don't take down Nimrod. Nimrod could easily beat the Hulk.
"Dust isn't "dispersed" and she certainly won't be by a simple thunderclap. That's just wrong. You really need to decide though, is i shockwave, sonic, energy? His thunderclap seems to chance every thread.When have i said anything about his thunderclap being,sonic,energy or a shockwave apparently its sonic/shockwave ,pick one it still would have taken hellion and dust out of the game....also thunderclaps arent simple and have taken out opponents equal or far greater than dust and hellion
Also hulk has resisted/broken/bested Nate Grey before, tell me what hope does hellion have?
In short hulk hasnt jobbed.
You have no credibility,show me one time you have won an argument on this board.
Originally posted by strengthkills
Yes you are one to talk
Titanium wasnt able to pierce hulks eyes you are a dumbass and your point is moot and unlike you my life is not affected by peoples opinions of me on an internet board,so my advice to you get a life.
show me scans of wwhat hellion is capable of,until you do shut the hell up"Dust isn't "dispersed" and she certainly won't be by a simple thunderclap. That's just wrong. You really need to decide though, is i shockwave, sonic, energy? His thunderclap seems to chance every thread.When have i said anything about his thunderclap being,sonic,energy or a shockwave apparently its sonic/shockwave ,pick one it still would have taken hellion and dust out of the game....also thunderclaps arent simple and have taken out opponents equal or far greater than dust and hellion
Also hulk has resisted/broken/bested Nate Grey before, tell me what hope does hellion have?
In short hulk hasnt jobbed.
You have no credibility,show me one time you have won an argument on this board.
Nope, not going to shut up.
If you don't care about what people here think, then I don't see why you bother posting here. Apparently you have so much better to do.
Hulk's thunderclap is sonic and energy? cool, does he switch by pushing a button or something? Want me to pick one? Way to go comic continuity.
I doubt his thunderclap has taken out anyone like Dust. Seeing as she doesn't really have a solid form, you can't say that he has ever taken out anyone greater, weaker or similar to her.
Hulk never beat Nate, not by a LONG shot. He barely resisted non-shaman Nate, way to go. Even Holocaust did that.
No one was claiming that Hulk was doing the jobbing, they were. Learn how to tell the difference. When everyone except you say they're jobbing, they're jobbing.
For the record, is your motto "Everyone but me is crazy"? It'd suit you.
Originally posted by llagroki dont post here to please people,its called throwing out an opinion ...like for instance you are the lamest person i have had the pleasure of talking to.
Nope, not going to shut up.If you don't care about what people here think, then I don't see why you bother posting here. Apparently you have so much better to do.
Hulk's thunderclap is sonic and energy? cool, does he switch by pushing a button or something? Want me to pick one? Way to go comic continuity.
I doubt his thunderclap has taken out anyone like Dust. Seeing as she doesn't really have a solid form, you can't say that he has ever taken out anyone greater, weaker or similar to her.
Hulk never beat Nate, not by a LONG shot. He barely resisted non-shaman Nate, way to go. Even Holocaust did that.
No one was claiming that Hulk was doing the jobbing, they were. Learn how to tell the difference. When everyone except you say they're jobbing, they're jobbing.
For the record, is your motto "Everyone but me is crazy"? It'd suit you.
Gee llagrok,you sure did show me 👆
Originally posted by llagrokI really like that motto,you know what would suit you...."I talk out of my ass and shit out my mouth"
Nope, not going to shut up.If you don't care about what people here think, then I don't see why you bother posting here. Apparently you have so much better to do.
Hulk's thunderclap is sonic and energy? cool, does he switch by pushing a button or something? Want me to pick one? Way to go comic continuity.
I doubt his thunderclap has taken out anyone like Dust. Seeing as she doesn't really have a solid form, you can't say that he has ever taken out anyone greater, weaker or similar to her.
Hulk never beat Nate, not by a LONG shot. He barely resisted non-shaman Nate, way to go. Even Holocaust did that.
No one was claiming that Hulk was doing the jobbing, they were. Learn how to tell the difference. When everyone except you say they're jobbing, they're jobbing.
For the record, is your motto "Everyone but me is crazy"? It'd suit you.
Originally posted by Blight8 billion minds, killed in a long arduous, agonizing and terrible war iirc, currently reside in Rogue, all screaming. I don't see why it would matter how many people died on his planet unless he was actually mindlinked to them all, as noted.
The Hulks entire planet died (Full of not just ONE sentient Race, but a FEW) with the exception of an armada. I think his "Sad Feedback" is a bit stronger as I bet there were more than 8 Million people on that planet. Not to mention Didn't Xavier just get his powers back? So maybe he didn't proceed correctly?I know I'm grasping at straws a little bit but give the Writer SOME credit. People are so quick to judge things.
Xavier only ever lost his powers, not his skills.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
8 billion minds, killed in a long arduous, agonizing and terrible war iirc, currently reside in Rogue, all screaming. I don't see why it would matter how many people died on his planet unless he was actually mindlinked to them all, as noted.Xavier only ever lost his powers, not his skills.
Spot on. Best part is the people that resided in the Hecatomb were like living dead, because of their unique situation they were unable to actually rest in peace...so they've been stuck in a tormented limbo like state for a very long time. The planet consisted of 18 billion inhabitants but the Hecatomb could only contain 10 billion and the other 8 billion formed around the containment unit hence the sentinent type creature.
