I agree. The most powerful opponent can still easily be overcome by a well skilled combatant. The problem in that case is that you have to remember how long I've been roleplaying in general. I'm a skilled RPer and my actual character is powerful. So skill and power are on my side. That's why I don't use that character in any RP's on sites like KMC. Because the general idea is that all characters have to be roughly the same level in power. If I make a character for your RP, it's going to be...
>Average on Power/Ability
>Most likely a less skilled combatant (since I'm usually the more skilled one in an RP with combat)
>Use Unique Custom made weapons (a combination of a few weapons probably, RWBY style)
>A friendly character who actually gets along with her allies (which I rarely do, lol)
Exactly. There can be too much power for someone to handle. Me it's funny that it's annoying for someone to argue their point, but you are supposed t be allowed to say whatever. Don't complain about not being able to voice an different view and then get bothered by others. Especially wen yours is you just stroking your ego.
Eh it's no big deal, just when you do things like rolling your eyes or saying someone is being annoying you are inviting conflict. So of course is bring up your behavior when you disrespect me. I find talking about how skilled you are at rping annoying, but wouldn't have said anything out of decency otherwise. I was stating my view on a topic I am interested in and gets talked about a lot. No need to take my view personally.
Do you think you're the one who irritated me?
I was irritated because you kept on pushing it. I was irritated because you asked me why those RP's don't work on KMC and when I told you, you responded in such a way that brought this about. I'm irritated that you think you being irritated over me stating my skill in RP once is akin to my irritation at the veteran roleplayers showing up every few months with the hype for nostalgia which in the end turns out to be nothing. I apologized for ever making that comment and to bring it up again after I told you all I regretted ever bringing it up is disrespectful to me and I did nothing to deserve it.
You invited me to tell you about the roleplaying that Xanatos and I have been in or specifically why it doesn't work on a site like KMC and I did. Then you shared your opinion and I explained the ways that they do and so you pointed out your knowledge of martial arts. So how is my pointing out my knowledge of RP in general annoying?
I never once said any of this to stroke my ego, I couldn't give one bit about my ego, this was about satisfying your curiosity and my willingness to do so and you made me regret it.
Originally posted by Phoenix3068
Do you think you're the one who irritated me?I was irritated because you kept on pushing it. I was irritated because you asked me why those RP's don't work on KMC and when I told you, you responded in such a way that brought this about. I'm irritated that you think you being irritated over me stating my skill in RP once is akin to my irritation at the veteran roleplayers showing up every few months with the hype for nostalgia which in the end turns out to be nothing. I apologized for ever making that comment and to bring it up again after I told you all I regretted ever bringing it up is disrespectful to me and I did nothing to deserve it.
You invited me to tell you about the roleplaying that Xanatos and I have been in or specifically why it doesn't work on a site like KMC and I did. Then you shared your opinion and I explained the ways that they do and so you pointed out your knowledge of martial arts. So how is my pointing out my knowledge of RP in general annoying?
I never once said any of this to stroke my ego, I couldn't give one bit about my ego, this was about satisfying your curiosity and my willingness to do so and you made me regret it.
I asked about the characters yes, but you continued the discussion on the nature of power versus skill in general. And yes going on in it about how you are skilled at rping and have to tone yourself down in rping with others is stroking your ego. And rolling your eyes and speaking about how its annoying someone is having a debate that you keep contributing to is disrespectful and you do deserve to have your earlier statement brought up because you can't have your cake and eat it to. Regret it or not, you showed issue with not being able to disagree to others, well here it is. Don't like it don't talk, but don't say its annoying someone disagrees while trying to push your own point or try to act as if you were asked if it was true. I asked why they didn't work, but when it came about character skill you kept the discussion going and even brought up how good you are and how it's unfair. It only became a problem when it when the argument ended up in a way that showed your point was wrong.
People are going to disagree and have other viewpoints, don't respond if you can't handle it. And don't say anything at all if you never want to see it happen.
And you're right me being irritated at someone speaking about how much better they are, is much more understandable then someone being mad that people are happy to see their friends. And you brought that comparison on yourself just now, but go ahead and say it's unfair for me to say so when you try to justify it.
Originally posted by The Big O
And I like eggs 😱Also, is it possible for you guys to just agree to disagree and then just drop it?
Well she already conceded to the point. Now it's the issue on me being justified in not liking her attitude and needless action in response vs her saying it's unfair for me to argue back or have issue.
Originally posted by The Big OBalls in her court, she can chose not to respond. But if she continues I have no need to not, I'm going to defend myself over the right to speak. I don't call people names or say how they are being annoying, or rolling my eyes at their posts. So I expect the same level of respect in responses, or I'm going to call you out on it. If you don't want to respond, just don't this goes to anyone. The moment you openly show anger or disrespect it becomes something else.
Hmm.... Does that mean you are going to agree to disagree and then drop it?
Because. A skilled enough fighter can defeat a stronger fighter. This is true even if it's a human vs the hulk or vs superman or vs anything. I don't agree at all that strength is the determining factor. But you narrowed it. So yes, a human with no powers cannot win a fist fight against something that cannot be damaged and can instant kill them on a playing field in which there are no possible advantages to be taken (flat, solid thus no dust, no obstacles, etc) and using just their fists. None of those factors were ever added into the character's combat. So I'm sorry if I get annoyed that you couldn't just accept that balance isn't always needed to determine a winner and had to keep narrowing the example until it became in no way relevant to the discussion.
I got mad and my mistake was in showing it. Like always, not keeping my mouth shut. But rather then saying that you were offended by it and telling me to apologize you jumped on me about my behavior from another time which I already apologized for. It's crap and that's why I'm not stopping. If you were offended, just saying so would have gotten me to apologize and understand that what I did was wrong. Having to insult me for something from the past is just rude and it makes us both wrong and that's why this won't end. Neither of our actions justified.
Originally posted by Phoenix3068
Because. A skilled enough fighter can defeat a stronger fighter. This is true even if it's a human vs the hulk or vs superman or vs anything. I don't agree at all that strength is the determining factor. But you narrowed it. So yes, a human with no powers cannot win a fist fight against something that cannot be damaged and can instant kill them on a playing field in which there are no possible advantages to be taken (flat, solid thus no dust, no obstacles, etc) and using just their fists. None of those factors were ever added into the character's combat. So I'm sorry if I get annoyed that you couldn't just accept that balance isn't always needed to determine a winner and had to keep narrowing the example until it became in no way relevant to the discussion.I got mad and my mistake was in showing it. Like always, not keeping my mouth shut. But rather then saying that you were offended by it and telling me to apologize you jumped on me about my behavior from another time which I already apologized for. It's crap and that's why I'm not stopping. If you were offended, just saying so would have gotten me to apologize and understand that what I did was wrong. Having to insult me for something from the past is just rude and it makes us both wrong and that's why this won't end. Neither of our actions justified.
Well see but it's still wrong. Unless the environment is tailored it's wrong. Like on a city street, lots of obstacles but only if they matter, since none can be used effectively by a human versus someone they can't hurt or someone to fast for them to touch. I never said strength is all that matters. but it is an objective fact that skill can't fill every gap you need enough power or speed to make it count. My examples were always relevant, since it produced situation where with no outside help, any realistic environment would not have the means for a human to win.
since obstacles aren't always going to be the perfect environment to beat someone, or you may just not be fast enough to do anything without help. My point is some balance is needed, as not ever gap can be dealt with unless the situation is tailored so they can win a human doesn't have the resources in a likely situation to beat either of them or really anyone that moves faster than they can think. it's a scale, it's why fighters train their body too. Skill is great but you need enough might to make it count (weather through body or weapons) since by itself is it worthless. So no I can't accept that we have to magically count on every situation being perfect for the under dog, because fights aren't like that. After a certain point you will just get destroyed unless it's built for you to have a shot, which is a different situation.
If you can actually prove that on a city street with dusts and obstacles but not overt weakness of an enemy. that a normal human can beat someone that moves at lightspeed and can not be damaged in anyway by their attacks using dust and the environment then I'd love to see it. Because that makes you a debating god.
Eh, I even said it's not a huge deal, but I will respond when things like it happen.