Can or will Jacen be redeemed?

I do not hate the PT, wouldn't waste the effort on something silly like that, but I am disappointed. It's not the Star Wars I enjoyed as a kid.

It's hard not to be cynical when a bunch of loony gits are taking things out of context and using them in fictional gladitorial combat, then attempting to discuss the finer points of debating with some kind of superiority complex.

EDIT: That is why I venture into the EU and Versus forums. To take the piss. I moan about all kinds of irreverent crap in other forums.

Like babies.

Originally posted by exanda kane
I do not hate the PT, wouldn't waste the effort on something silly like that, but I am disappointed. It's not the Star Wars I enjoyed as a kid.

I don't want to sound like an ass when I say this, but welcome to 90% of the Star Wars fan base, a lot of people were disappointed with the PT for exactly the same reason.

Honestly, the EU was the only thing that saved it for me. Take Mace windu for instance, what is he without it? All he has to his name would be cutting off Jango's head (which was pretty cool
), and that weird "someone just shoved a lightsaber up my ass" look he got on his face when he dueled Palp.

Originally posted by exanda kane

It's hard not to be cynical when a bunch of loony gits are taking things out of context and using them in fictional gladitorial combat, then attempting to discuss the finer points of debating with some kind of superiority complex.

I don't think that most of the people here debate because they enjoy pitting fictional characters against one another, but rather because they enjoy debating, and they enjoy SW, so it combines interests, so it's not strange to me at all (though, I wholeheartedly agree that at times people take it a wee bit to far)

Originally posted by exanda kane

EDIT: That is why I venture into the EU and Versus forums. To take the piss. I moan about all kinds of irreverent crap in other forums.

I do the same in the video games vs forum, so more power to ya

Originally posted by Pwned61
I don't want to sound like an ass when I say this, but welcome to 90% of the Star Wars fan base, a lot of people were disappointed with the PT for exactly the same reason.

I wouldn't really consider myself part of the SW fanbase. I've browsed a thing books, re-enacted SPACED with my flat mates and generally been a lout, but that doesn't constitute a SW fan (or does it?). But enough about me, more about the PT. Medicore films at best.

Honestly, the EU was the only thing that saved it for me. Take Mace windu for instance, what is he without it? All he has to his name would be cutting off Jango's head (which was pretty cool
), and that weird "someone just shoved a lightsaber up my ass" look he got on his face when he dueled Palp.

The EU is like a nail in the coffin.

I don't think that most of the people here debate because they enjoy pitting fictional characters against one another, but rather because they enjoy debating, and they enjoy SW, so it combines interests, so it's not strange to me at all (though, I wholeheartedly agree that at times people take it a wee bit to far)

I agree. It's that brew of having a self righteous napoleon complex coupled with being a social outcast that makes these people tick (Yes, you lot), and watching the outcome is highly amusing.
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Originally posted by exanda kane
I wouldn't really consider myself part of the SW fanbase. I've browsed a thing books, re-enacted SPACED with my flat mates and generally been a lout, but that doesn't constitute a SW fan (or does it?).

You frequent a message board in which Star Wars characters a pitted against one another in fictional battles, you may not like it, but you're a part of the "family."

Originally posted by exanda kane

But enough about me, more about the PT. Medicore films at best.

Agreed, once again, a lot of people (fans and otherwise) were disappointed, a lot of people on this board alone would probably say that. What I was asking about was the fact that you're the only one that consistently reminds us of it.

Originally posted by exanda kane

The EU is like a nail in the coffin.

I'd have to disagree, the EU, like any kind of novelization or universe tie-in (be in Star Trek, Star Wars, D&D, ect) is very hit or miss, there's a lot of bad EU sure, but there's a lot of good ones out there as well. Just ask around and avoid portions of the NJO, and most of what comes after it.

Originally posted by exanda kane

I agree. It's that brew of having a self righteous napoleon complex coupled with being a social outcast that makes these people tick (Yes, you lot), and watching the outcome is highly amusing.

Most of the people here aren't really like that (at least not most of the time), but the few idiots that pop up now and then have a tendency to drag everyone down to their level.

I'd have to disagree, the EU, like any kind of novelization or universe tie-in (be in Star Trek, Star Wars, D&D, ect) is very hit or miss, there's a lot of bad EU sure, but there's a lot of good ones out there as well. Just ask around and avoid portions of the NJO, and most of what comes after it.

Then why are these novels highly successful? Why are more novels on the way?

Define "Highly successful" first of all.

Originally posted by DARKLORDCAEDUS
I'd have to disagree, the EU, like any kind of novelization or universe tie-in (be in Star Trek, Star Wars, D&D, ect) is very hit or miss, there's a lot of bad EU sure, but there's a lot of good ones out there as well. Just ask around and avoid portions of the NJO, and most of what comes after it.

Then why are these novels highly successful? Why are more novels on the way?

Because highly successful does not equal good. Eragon is successful, it's not very good though (to be fair, this is imo, but I can back it up). There's a lot of badly written EU, that's a fact. Besides, a lot of the sales come from the Star Wars name. It's the same with Final Fantasy, they tack that name onto it and it's bound to sell pretty well.

Originally posted by Pwned61
Because highly successful does not equal good. Eragon is successful, it's not very good though (to be fair, this is imo, but I can back it up). There's a lot of badly written EU, that's a fact. Besides, a lot of the sales come from the Star Wars name. It's the same with Final Fantasy, they tack that name onto it and it's bound to sell pretty well.

Highly successful does mean good novels. Just because you and others don't like it doesn't mean anything. People like me and others love the EU. The simplest way when you do not like something is to NOT READ IT.

This looks like it's turning into a whining contest...but TG gets his post into my quote logs. Woohoo TG.

Meanwhile, I hope Jacen is not redeemed. He and the books in which he has fallen to the Dark Side are blemishes...

Whose TG?

Tangible God.

Damn. I was hoping through some miracle TG meant me.

TG, BH, same difference, eh? 😛

While I'm here, I want to note that not supporting your claims will always make you seem the fool, DARKLORDCAEDUS. Pretty simple, that. If you say something and can't back it up, then it won't be taken seriously.

Originally posted by DARKLORDCAEDUS
Highly successful does mean good novels. Just because you and others don't like it doesn't mean anything. People like me and others love the EU. The simplest way when you do not like something is to NOT READ IT.

Not good novels Caedus (can I call you Caddy?). Eragon was a perfect example of a badly wirrten, but highly succesful book. It's saving factor, or novelty is simply because it was written by a 15 year old. however, at the end of the day, it's not a good book.

The EU novels serve well what Star Wars is, a pulp mythos, but the complexity and thematic intricacy of higher works of fiction is lost on them. At the end of the day, they can tell a story, but it's done in a very drab manner.

Originally posted by Pwned61
You frequent a message board in which Star Wars characters a pitted against one another in fictional battles, you may not like it, but you're a part of the "family."

Yeah, but I'm like the enlightened outcast. The one with a credit card.

Agreed, once again, a lot of people (fans and otherwise) were disappointed, a lot of people on this board alone would probably say that. What I was asking about was the fact that you're the only one that consistently reminds us of it.

Actually, in many polls it usually ends up that more people loved the PT. Point is however, is that they can only cite there reasons for liking it as an extension of the Star Wars [i]they[/i[ enjoy, i.e. celabite jedi dancing around like pixies talking some of the worst dialogue ever seen on film.

I'd have to disagree, the EU, like any kind of novelization or universe tie-in (be in Star Trek, Star Wars, D&D, ect) is very hit or miss, there's a lot of bad EU sure, but there's a lot of good ones out there as well. Just ask around and avoid portions of the NJO, and most of what comes after it.

No, the Star Wars EU is unimaginitive and kinda superficial at the end of the day. At the end of the next day of course, it's succesful. At the end of the day after that, it's mostly liked. but at the end of the calendar, it's all poor.

Most of the people here aren't really like that (at least not most of the time), but the few idiots that pop up now and then have a tendency to drag everyone down to their level.

Oh, but they are, and I've had a few years browsing KMC to realise.

So is the EU honestly this bad, or are there any good pieces you could recommend to someone who's only knowledge of Star Wars involves only the movies?

I like Darth Bane Path of Destruction , Labyrinth of Evil is a good read, and also definitely get the thrawn trilogy. There other good ones too that I don't feel like mentioning.

Originally posted by exanda kane
I do not hate the PT, wouldn't waste the effort on something silly like that, but I am disappointed. It's not the Star Wars I enjoyed as a kid.

It's hard not to be cynical when a bunch of loony gits are taking things out of context and using them in fictional gladitorial combat, then attempting to discuss the finer points of debating with some kind of superiority complex.

EDIT: That is why I venture into the EU and Versus forums. To take the piss. I moan about all kinds of irreverent crap in other forums.

Originally posted by yogert
legacy sucks along with most of the crap these wanabe writers put out

most of these writers are probably not even fans they just work for del ray or whatever and just pump out books until the series runs dry.

its all market research

why don't some of you realize that !

Who said we don't realize that?

I suggest Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader, nmensfinest. Perfectly well done.