Red Skull vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm only in for a second but I'm almost 100% that the issue before that one (Captain America 16?)

Ive got that and no it doesnt.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

it gives the exact number of time reboots as 72 (around 70 at the least). Captain American didn't retain his memory for those 72 reboots either, only the 4 or 5 after...

You're being wack. This is what it says about the reboots.

http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capintegritytr4.jpg

He went back in time hundreds of times and he remembered each time.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

and he spent all his time organizing rebellions, recruiting allies, and convincing Johny Average-man to stand up to Korvak. Not so much time for training.

He did spend time recurting allies but he also spent time training and training other people. We can clearly see this in some of the strategies he used to take out Korvac. We know from Caps persoanlity that he trains all the time, so he would have found time to train inbetween recruiting other people.

Remember the reboots were specifically for thinking of a way to deafeat Korvac. All his time was spent on training and strategy he did not have time for fun like Wolverine does.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

I'm not sure if I'll have time to respond to the rest this week. I'm pretty busy with work and updating my portfolio... and my friend is dragging me to Port Dover on the 13th for the huge biker gathering.

I hear you have problems with biker gangs in Canada.

P.S. The new Robin Hood sucks whats wrong with you?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

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When Wolverine was a spook he was so efficient and so effective that he was considered an urban legend created to scare rookie agents. Was Captain America? No. Red Skull? No. Not even Nick Fury can boast such claim.

How on earth could a world-famous living legend, Avenger, and defender of freedom and human rights be used as "an urban legend to scare rookie agents"? It wouldn't matter if Cap was 100 times the agent and fighter Wolverine was.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Captain America doesn't even have 20 years of training under his belt. Do you think in the 10 some odd years since he was found frozen in a block of ice he managed to surpass Wolverine, who even before he had an extra 60 years of training and combat experience under his belt, was better then Captain America?

Maybe it's like that movie where one fighter says to the other something like "You're always training... maybe that's why you're the best." and the other fighter replies "Maybe I'm just better."

Even if I had trained at the 100m sprint my whole life I very much doubt I could outrun olympic gold medallists at the 100m.

Maybe Cap's just naturally better.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Wolverine has close to 100 years of training and combat experience, he was trained by Ogun for years (and Ogun has the ability to impart a life time of training in mere hours thanks to his mystical abilities) and he has lived no less then four previous lives two of which were experienced warriors. Who knows how much experience Wolverine has, but the one thing you can be sure of is that it is exponentially more then Captain America's.

What does this really say about Wolverine? Ogun can transfer a lifetime of training in mere hours, so he could transfer four lives in less than a day. Yet somehow he was stuck training Wolverine for years. Is Logan a bit slow on the uptake or something?

Seriously, in my early days of reading comics Wolverine was one of my favourites and Cap never was particularly. Wolverine still is, but the way the character is portrayed these days is really starting to annoy me.

Originally posted by basilisk

What does this really say about Wolverine? Ogun can transfer a lifetime of training in mere hours, so he could transfer four lives in less than a day. Yet somehow he was stuck training Wolverine for years. Is Logan a bit slow on the uptake or something?

Oh really, apparently Cap learnt an alien martial art in a day.

Originally posted by basilisk

Seriously, in my early days of reading comics Wolverine was one of my favourites and Cap never was particularly. Wolverine still is, but the way the character is portrayed these days is really starting to annoy me.

Tell me about it. This was Wolverine back in the day.

http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/spidey-x-men1.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/spidey-x-men2.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/spidey-x-men3.jpg

Now all of a sudden Wolverine was an agent in WW2 and had to save Caps butt on 2 occassions.

Oops my bad, it's Captain America 18, not 16.

Korvak: Much better. How many reboots does that make Primax?
Primax: Seventy-two, my lord.

After that Korvak, made it so that Captain America would remember his defeats after a reboot and realise his struggle was useless. After Korvak gave Cap the ability to remember there was only four additional confrontations, one that took place 45 years after the last reboot, one that was 7 years after, one that was 16 years after, and the one that was 10 years after that lead to Korvak resetting back to the moment Cap killed the Red Skull. Captain America saying he fought Korvak "hundreds of times" is the equivalent of me saying, "I've seen the LotRs literally a million times". It was an exaggeration, something you'd know if you've read issue 18.

"What does this really say about Wolverine? Ogun can transfer a lifetime of training in mere hours, so he could transfer four lives in less than a day. Yet somehow he was stuck training Wolverine for years. Is Logan a bit slow on the uptake or something?"

Or maybe Ogun is an immortal demon sorcerer with 1000s of years of combat knowledge that can't be imparted in any traditional manor with out taking... you know... 1000s of years?

Have you watched the entire season of Robin Hood, Alfheim? I'll give you that it wasn't very good at the beginning but it gets better and better, and the season finale was awesome.

Now I'm off again! Sorry about this jumbled post... I hate being busy. 🙁

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Oops my bad, it's Captain America [b]18, not 16.

Korvak: Much better. How many reboots does that make Primax?
Primax: Seventy-two, my lord.

After that Korvak, made it so that Captain America would remember his defeats after a reboot and realise his struggle was useless. After Korvak gave Cap the ability to remember there was only four additional confrontations, one that took place 45 years after the last reboot, one that was 7 years after, one that was 16 years after, and the one that was 10 years after that lead to Korvak resetting back to the moment Cap killed the Red Skull. Captain America saying he fought Korvak "hundreds of times" is the equivalent of me saying, "I've seen the LotRs literally a million times". It was an exaggeration, something you'd know if you've read issue 18.[/B]

Ive read the issue and I own it. Sorry but thats rubbish you know why. According to you after 72 reboots Korvac enabled him to remember his reboots he only rebboted him 4 more times.

Ok right so let me get this straight Cap gets rebooted 4 more times and then says I got sent back in time hundreds of times? Ok so if you drank 4 cups of tea you would say that you drank 100s of cups of tea?

The reason why there were only four more confrontations was because they couldnt fit all the hundreds of reboots in one comic. Also considering that Korvac is a cosmic level character with the power to control time you really think that 76 reboots are going get him fed up? The logical conclusion is that Cap literally had to go back hundreds of times.

We should continue this discussion in the Wolverine vs Cap thread below.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/311710_91-captain-america-vs-wolverine

Well everybody remember those master race guys that kicked the crap outa Sabertooth. Those guys were just creations of the Skull right. We've seen the Skull almost like a spirit in recent comics plotting.
He may be too much for Cap to handle himself. That puts Wolverine in a awakard positon against him.
Oh and Wolvie can be beaten cause whom ever tagged him to graft his bones to the metal knows how to take him in.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats because they retconed Wolverines ass. Since Wolverine started learning MA before Cap at some point he had to be better than Cap. Cap has now exceeded him.

Well capt was frozen Logan was training and improving..............so if capt was no as good a fighter as wolverine in WW2 then there no way in hell he be as good a fighter as Logan is now.........

Originally posted by Battlehammer
How does that make even the least bit of sense?

Well capt was frozen Logan was training and improving..............so if capt was no as good a fighter as wolverine in WW2 then there no way in hell he be as good a fighter as Logan is now.........

1. Because he learns quicker than Wolverine. Hes more intelligent.

2. Korvac saga has given him more experience and intelligence.

Originally posted by Alfheim
1. Because he learns quicker than Wolverine. Hes more intelligent.

Originally posted by Alfheim
2. Korvac saga has given him more experience and intelligence.

Experience.............more experience then wolverine........I think not.

Not to mention fighting the same foe is that very impressive experience it rather useless nor would it help you advance your MA prowess.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Firats off being more intelligent would not make up for a eyar experience let a lone 50. Next capt does not learn fast thats purely speculation.

No its not he learnt an ALIEN martial art in one day, so yeah that makes sense.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Nor is capt smarter then wolverine.

1. Who uses there brain more Cap or Wolverine?
2. Have you seen the bios of Cap and Wolverine on Cmasters forum, guess who has highier intelligence. Cap does.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

More intelligenc? I love to see you prove that.

Already have.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Experience.............more experience then wolverine........I think not.

Already explained. Pay attention.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Nopt to mention fighting the same foe is that very impressive experience it rather useless nor would it help you advance your MA prowess.

yeah it would if the guy you're fighting is cosmic level and can reboot time.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No its not he learnt an ALIEN martial art in one day, so yeah that makes sense.

Originally posted by Alfheim
1. Who uses there brain more Cap or Wolverine?.

Originally posted by Alfheim
2. Have you seen the bios of Cap and Wolverine on Cmasters forum, guess who has highier intelligence. Cap does.?.

Hva eyou seen the latest updated captain america bio made by marvel? Ya capt got moved down to a level 6 fighting skill not 7.............

Originally posted by Alfheim
Already have.

Already explained. Pay attention.

Originally posted by Alfheim
yeah it would if the guy you're fighting is cosmic level and can reboot time. .

Originally posted by Battlehammer
is thats supose to impress me.............Logan been stated as beeing a master of every style on earth..........also can you prove this statement of yours?

I'll have to find out, but im not sure if I can be bothered because it wont make a difference.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

wolverine since he needs less sleep so he using more of his brain powers form a longer time period.

You moron. I dont mean using your brain to cross the road I mean STRATEGY!!!!!

Originally posted by Battlehammer

HAHAHAHAHAHA did you just say this. How pethetic. Who cares what C-master says on his sight. It not official nor does it mean any thing.

You ****. THE MARVEL UNIVERSE HANDBOOK!!!!! 😆

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Hva eyou seen the latest updated captain america bio made by marvel? Ya capt got moved down to a level 6 fighting skill not 7.............

Marvel.com is a pile of ****. Do you know that theyve given Wolverine 7 for everything?

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Wolverine_(James_Howlett)

Originally posted by Battlehammer

no it would not. None of that would improve your fighting skills or knowledge. A cosmic being no matter how skilled capt got could kill him instantly.

Cosmic beings are powerful therefore you would have to train very hard to beat them...simple.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I'll have to find out, but im not sure if I can be bothered because it wont make a difference.

Originally posted by Alfheim
You moron. I dont mean using your brain to cross the road I mean STRATEGY!!!!!.

Originally posted by Alfheim
You ****. THE MARVEL UNIVERSE HANDBOOK!!!!! 😆

Originally posted by Alfheim
Marvel.com is a pile of ****. Do you know that theyve given Wolverine 7 for everything?

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Wolverine_(James_Howlett)

Did I say I was talking about marvel.com............nope.

I said the updated hand books you know the marvel universe updated hand books A-Z.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Cosmic beings are powerful therefore you would have to train very hard to beat them...simple.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
so pritty much what you said was a load of BS?

No. I'll have to find out. Ive heard it mentioned by Cap fans. the same way ive heard Cap ahs taken a shot to the head from a bullet.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

wait im the moron, becuase you typed your question inccoreectly............ya that makes sense 🙄

Well at the end of the day Cap uses stratgey more than Wolverine does.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Whats so funny? I mean your usingc-master site as evidence lol.

No you **** the official handbook scans that were posted on the forum.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Did I say I was talking about marvel.com............nope.

I said the updated hand books you know the marvel universe updated hand books A-Z.

Well thats stupid and you're probably lying. Why would Cap get bumped down to 6 when Wolverine, Taskmaster and villains of Shang Chi have all talked about how good he is.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

See again nope. Training would do nothing for capt. Like it stated in the issue capt got a whole army of guys and he attacked. The only thing capt improved on was his leadership skill and perhaps his tatics for leading a group. None of wihich would help him in one on one combat.

Crap. Cap attacked Korvac numerous times on his own. So what you're trying to tell me that he stopped training? 🤨

Originally posted by Alfheim
No. I'll have to find out. Ive heard it mentioned by Cap fans. the same way ive heard Cap ahs taken a shot to the head from a bullet.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well at the end of the day Cap uses stratgey more than Wolverine does.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No you **** the official handbook scans that were posted on the forum.
Well thats stupid and you're probably lying. Why would Cap get bumped down to 6 when Wolverine, Taskmaster and villains of Shang Chi have all talked about how good he is.

Ya don't ever say I am lieing ever again.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Crap. Cap attacked Korvac numerous times on his own. So what you're trying to tell me that he stopped training? 🤨

Despite the extent of his healing factor, Wolverine is not immortal. If the injuries are extensive enough, especially if they result in the loss of vital organs, large amounts of blood, and/or loss of physical form, such as having flesh burned away by fire or acid, Wolverine can die.

Way to go Marvel.

Originally posted by llagrok
Despite the extent of his healing factor, Wolverine is not immortal. If the injuries are extensive enough, especially if they result in the loss of vital organs, large amounts of blood, and/or loss of physical form, such as having flesh burned away by fire or acid, Wolverine can die.

Way to go Marvel.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
that was changed in there last hand book the massive one that came out, but I agree the hand books are shit.

Indeed.

It might take Wolvie months to recover from a swordfight, but it only takes him a couple of hours to beat Lazaer and resurrect!

Originally posted by Battlehammer
So your not even sure it real...why am I not surprized.

Look it happened in Avangers volume 3 issue 53 go check for yourself.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

for group combat not for indivudal combat which is what were talking about...you know fighting skill.......

Duhhhh......im talking about individual combat group combat strategy in general.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Capt also listed as a level 6 in fighting skill in the newest most up dated hand book called " ALL-NEW OFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE A-Z UPDATE ADAM II TO ZODIAK issue 2of 4"

Oh right so you think thats an accurate description of his abilities?

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Ya don't ever say I am lieing ever again.

I never said you were, but the interesting thing is you might have a guilty consicience. I looked up some reviews where Wolberine fought Bloodscream and Roughouse and there is no indication that Wolverine was beaten up and was dying when he fought Roughouse. Maybe your making **** up.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

No what im syaing is there no evidence that he learned any new styles or advanced his MA skills in the least.

Look, he was sent back in time 1000s of years. If you dont thinks thats going to help somebodys MA, fine.