dont know much about maelstrom 😮
i didnt read abraxas's appearances but he was able to kill several galactuses of other universes so he pretty insanely powerful. (didnt he also kill SS?)
however Phoenix Force is just so mega powerful its unbeleivable.
i would have to get more clued up on just how powerful abarxas and maelstrom are.
Originally posted by lordboo
why 🙄
Fairly simple. The thread would pretty quick be ruin, personally I think Maelstrom with the anomoly would take this, but if I said Phoenix then master would be in here shouting about how it can never be Phoenix and if I choose Abraxas because he can (IMO) collapse the Multiverse then GS would come in here instead and those two will come, if they see that the other is present (that the feeling you get), and thus in fairly short time they would dominate the debate which us as observants which isn't what I think you had in mind... but actually by Maelstrom I took a safe path. 😄
Abraxas in a stomp.
Abraxas can collpase UniverseS just by approaching them.
It takes a force powerful enough to Remake the Multiverse to stop him.
Abraxas destroyed a bunch of UniverseS.
Maelstrom was powerful but,
he needed a Black Hole to destroy one Universe and even then didn't accomplish the task.
Phoenix Force top feats as in Jean, amputating the possible Future Timeline of Reality 15104,
and then Repairing it within the White Hot Room atomically.
Impressive,
but I would have been more impressed if she could have just Remade Reality with a wish.
Like the 5 CCU's Magus had to Create an entire Universe (a duplicate 616) from scratch, no need for Big Bangs or any other garbage, simply wished into existence.
Or like Eternity & Death who created their own Universe without the need for "outside influenced" Big Bangs or any other intrusion, they simply exploded with their own Energies into a Universe at will.
Or Korvac's SINGLE Cosmic Cube, he Recreated his Universe over 72 Times, on whims.
Or the Makers, they Recreated their Own Universe from a previous Universe that was there,
and on and on ....
Again, Reality Warpers are far beyond Matter Manipulators.
now and forever.
I think Maelstrom is the weakest link here (in terms of versatility). Despite all his power, he couldn't outright destroy the universe. He needed that super massive black hole to do it, SLOWLY.
Maelstrom also was limited in what his powers affected. He couldn't hurt or phase, "spirit/energy" Quasar. He tried strangling him but Quasar stood there unphased.
Concerning Abraxas, what did he do really that was impressive? "Kill" Roma? Adversary has done that and he's not even high herald.
Kill Galactus? Did we even know how he killed them? He could have waited till he was near death then pounced, that's not impressive at all. Thor has almost killed a near death Galactus.
It would be PF > Maelstrom > Abraxas.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Abraxas in a stomp.Abraxas can collpase UniverseS just by approaching them.
It takes a force powerful enough to Remake the Multiverse to stop him.
Abraxas destroyed a bunch of UniverseS.
Maelstrom was powerful but,
he needed a Black Hole to destroy one Universe and even then didn't accomplish the task.Phoenix Force top feats as in Jean, amputating the possible Future Timeline of Reality 15104,
and then Repairing it within the White Hot Room atomically.Impressive,
but I would have been more impressed if she could have just Remade Reality with a wish.
Like the 5 CCU's Magus had to Create an entire Universe (a duplicate 616) from scratch, no need for Big Bangs or any other garbage, simply wished into existence.
Or like Eternity & Death who created their own Universe without the need for "outside influenced" Big Bangs or any other intrusion, they simply exploded with their own Energies into a Universe at will.
Or Korvac's SINGLE Cosmic Cube, he Recreated his Universe over 72 Times, on whims.
Or the Makers, they Recreated their Own Universe from a previous Universe that was there,
and on and on ....
Again, Reality Warpers are far beyond Matter Manipulators.
now and forever.
Originally posted by zopzopPretty much sums it up, sport.
How does Abraxas win?What has he done that even suggests he has a chance vs Maelstrom and the PF?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Pretty much sums it up, sport.
What does? When has Abraxas destroyed Universes? What issue? I'm genuinely curious.
Because "killing" Roma and Galactus' (we dont' know what state they were in) isn't impressive at all in my book and that's all we saw from him.
Oh he also gave a Watcher amnesia 🙄