maelstorm vs abraxas vs pheonix force

Originally posted by zopzop
What does? When has Abraxas destroyed Universes? What issue? I'm genuinely curious.

Because "killing" Roma and Galactus' (we dont' know what state they were in) isn't impressive at all in my book and that's all we saw from him.

Oh he also gave a Watcher amnesia 🙄

The only thing that defeated Abraxas was the un which would also defeat either of these two.

funny how you are so impressed by Odin who has only destroyed a galaxy at his best but downplay Abraxas shows how you use double standards.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Maelstrom was killed by a really big black hole. LOL.

The same black hole that the ENTIRE universe was powerless to stop.

The only thing that defeated Abraxas was the un which would also defeat either of these two.

Aside from a recently resurrected Galactus, Roma, and the Fantastic Four who else went up against Abraxas?

funny how you are so impressed by Odin who has only destroyed a galaxy at his best but downplay Abraxas shows how you use double standards.

Not really Odin's on panel feats > anything Abraxas did. Ps when has Abraxas even destroyed a galaxy? What issue?

Originally posted by zopzop
I think Maelstrom is the weakest link here (in terms of versatility). Despite all his power, he couldn't outright destroy the universe. He needed that super massive black hole to do it, SLOWLY.

Maelstrom also was limited in what his powers affected. He couldn't hurt or phase, "spirit/energy" Quasar. He tried strangling him but Quasar stood there unphased.

Concerning Abraxas, what did he do really that was impressive? "Kill" Roma? Adversary has done that and he's not even high herald.

Kill Galactus? Did we even know how he killed them? He could have waited till he was near death then pounced, that's not impressive at all. Thor has almost killed a near death Galactus.

It would be PF > Maelstrom > Abraxas.

With the power he had in CIC if you really think about it the things he could have done would be incredible.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Abraxas wins.

Maelstrom only received his greatest power as the avatar of Oblivion at the very end of cosmos in collision.

And due to versitlity and smarts does he win.

Originally posted by zopzop
The same black hole that the ENTIRE universe was powerless to stop.

Aside from a recently resurrected Galactus, Roma, and the Fantastic Four who else went up against Abraxas?

Not really Odin's on panel feats > anything Abraxas did. Ps when has Abraxas even destroyed a galaxy? What issue?

Isn't that good enough ? I mean Maelstrom was defeated by far less than this.

No, destroying universes is far greater than galaxies. LOL. A universe is greater than a galaxy. Wow.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Eternity wasn't present and neither was the ig.

The IG was present. Eternity was being eaten by it.

Isn't that good enough ? I mean Maelstrom was defeated by far less than this.

Maelstrom was defeated by Infinity/Quasar/Origin and the Quantum Bands turning on him. That's a lot more impressive than what Abraxas faced.

No, destroying universes is far greater than galaxies. LOL. A universe is greater than a galaxy. Wow.

WHAT issue did this take place in so I can see it for myself. Then I'll shut up. I also want to know HOW he allegedly destroyed these universes. I'm willing to bet it wasn't under his own power, if it even happened.

Originally posted by zopzop
The IG was present. Eternity was being eaten by it.

Maelstrom was defeated by Infinity/Quasar/Origin and the Quantum Bands turning on him. That's a lot more impressive than what Abraxas faced.

WHAT issue did this take place in so I can see it for myself. Then I'll shut up. I also want to know HOW he allegedly destroyed these universes. I'm willing to bet it wasn't under his own power, if it even happened.

When did the ig face off or see the black hole ?

That was Maelstrom as the avatar which he isn't here. LOL.

FF issues 46-49 and the 2001 annual.

Phoenix Force is the creation power of the multiverse.

It has greater feats than either of the other two. Far greater.

Not even close to true.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Not even close to true.

As always youre useless on your own and an irritant in debate.

Why not try debating with evidence if you have a differing opinion? 🙄

Begone.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Maelstrom was killed by a really big black hole. LOL.

And celestials stood by watching alongside watchers because there was nothing they could do against it other than watch.

Originally posted by rotiart
And celestials stood by watching alongside watchers because there was nothing they could do against it other than watch.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not the same as the ig or eternity not being able to do anything. Infinity and Oblivion survived in it, lol.

The IG, I'll give you. But Eternity? He was being EATEN ALIVE by the damn black hole. He didn't even attempt to stop it.

See his (Eternity) performance vs Bubonicus. Same deal.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not the same as the ig or eternity not being able to do anything. Infinity and Oblivion survived in it, lol.

They were on the otherside of the black hole... Oblivion pulled quasar through it. Neither Oblivion or infinity were demonstrated as being pulled in through te vortex or destroyed by it. Infinity emerged from quasar. Oblivion is the void...

Didnt say the couldnt do anything about it. Just nothing to compare it to.

Originally posted by rotiart
They were on the otherside of the black hole... Oblivion pulled quasar through it. Neither Oblivion or infinity were demonstrated as being pulled in through te vortex or destroyed by it. Infinity emerged from quasar. Oblivion is the void...

Originally posted by rotiart
They were on the otherside of the black hole... Oblivion pulled quasar through it. Neither Oblivion or infinity were demonstrated as being pulled in through te vortex or destroyed by it. Infinity emerged from quasar. Oblivion is the void...

Yup, that's how I remember it too.

Weren't they fighting in Oblivion's realm or something too?

Yes. The destruction of the universe by the black would have caused all things ti be dumped into oblivioms realm... Which is why maelstrom would have become all powerful at the end and usurped oblivion through his actions. Of course oblivion only was concerned with all things becoming apart of his void again... E

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not the same as the ig or eternity not being able to do anything. Infinity and Oblivion survived in it, lol.

even the UN dumps people in his realm which nothingness/unspace/unreality/unexistance

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
you do know that oblivion IS the void right? the universe collaps to him , black holes are just portals to his being.

even the UN dumps people in his realm which nothingness/unspace/unreality/unexistance

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