Most Underrated character here.

Originally posted by alterangel
true on the whole explaining things stuff, and how krayt says he should have ended the skywalker lineage when he had the chance?!!!!? if hes talking about anakin (no way anakin could take him), if he talking about luke well we all know luke would man handle him, so who is he talking about? i think that is crap

What I think KRayt means is very simple. Jacen wasn't really chosen by Lumiya because he had to fulfill a prophecy. He was chosen by Lumiya because he was powerful and Naive, and Lumiya knew that Jacen would cause a galaxy wide conflict with his sith crap. Basically, this galaxy wide conflict, orchestrated by Lumiya, was created so that Krayt's sith could train and grow, while being left alone isolated in sith space. It's clear that Lumiya has talked with this "new sith", as it was mentioned in betrayal. Anyways, I can bet my whole life savings this is the storyline, and a poorly written one at that.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
What I think KRayt means is very simple. Jacen wasn't really chosen by Lumiya because he had to fulfill a prophecy. He was chosen by Lumiya because he was powerful and Naive, and Lumiya knew that Jacen would cause a galaxy wide conflict with his sith crap. Basically, this galaxy wide conflict, orchestrated by Lumiya, was created so that Krayt's sith could train and grow, while being left alone isolated in sith space. It's clear that Lumiya has talked with this "new sith", as it was mentioned in betrayal. Anyways, I can bet my whole life savings this is the storyline, and a poorly written one at that.

but jacen isnt a skywalker so how could krayt have destroyed the skywalker lineage?

What my point was, that while Jacen and Luke were dooking it out in terms of the galaxy wide conflict presented in the next few books, Krayt would have had a chance to do what he pleased, to further the war, to cause more havok between the skywalkers and solos, etc.

I think Krayt has to be talking about Ben Skywalker.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
What my point was, that while Jacen and Luke were dooking it out in terms of the galaxy wide conflict presented in the next few books, Krayt would have had a chance to do what he pleased, to further the war, to cause more havok between the skywalkers and solos, etc.

gotcha i see, oh and i think jag fel's great grandfather is the emperor

Yea maybe Ben however Legacy has to be non canon. How are you going to explain Luke's death in a situation where Lucas would allow it, IE old age.. Especially since Luke should be able to easily live to 100-150.. Yet Kol is supposedly Ben's grandson.. How the hell did they go through 3-4 generations in less than a century.

Originally posted by Gideon
Yes, they were. The Ones Who Came Before were very witty people. But on these boards, amusement is no substitute for intelligent debates.

What really took the cake was when he started his stupid Jawa Order and got it closed in one week where as I started my own Order and he came in bashing and bitching because his got closed. Ush assraped him when he tried to act like he was incharge.

Man, the good ol' days 😆 ......

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Lol, yeah, especially IKC's 'ZOmG!1!!1! TeH kUN wUd PWNZORs NE1s!".

I'll take that as translating into "IKC provided evidence in the form of viable proof and offered up probably some of the best arguments I've ever seen on this website"?

Don't be ridiculous, Spartan.

I loved it when Lightsnake came here and literally whiped his ass with their crappy arguments[/b]

Hardly.

No offense to Lightsnake (as he's a helluva' debater and just in general a good person to talk to), but as it were, they literally dismantled most of his arguments, among with the majority of those who tried to say otherwise.

Seriously.

While they may be wrong now, at the time they were "right" so to speak. Insomuch as the evidence, reasoning, and logic they provided was so much more convincing (which is really all that matters) to the degree where even I argued the same things on a different forum (AcStyles, VinCon, and Lightsnake can tell you that).

And their arguments were far from crappy.

then they proceeded to bash everyone because they were getting desperate.

Correction: They began to "bash" those who disagreed because they offered little to nothing intelligent; and if that wasn't the case, the insulting could probably be attributed to the fact the same things were constantly repeated after being constantly refuted.

And not only that, but the fact that there's such an abundance of idiots on this forum makes you a bit fed up with being nice, too.

Sorgo was definately the fool of them all, what with think he was somekind of super member and though he was God's greatest gift to this world.

I laughed out loud.

Definitely true, but he was hil-freakin'-arious. Not to mention a much better debater than almost everyone currently here -- save for a few select members. I'd rather have a thousand Sorgo's than one luk_im_ubar or SW_Legend.

Ush assraped him when he tried to act like he was incharge.

Qui-Gon-Jinn by Far...and Jolee Bindo by far

While their arguments were indeed good, a majority of their arguments involved making random shit up in order to convince themselves of the ancient sith's dominance. I remember IKC trying to tell everyone that somehow Luke's, Leia's, and unborn ANakin's potential were below DE Sidious, meaning that Luke could never become more powerful than Sidious. There were a lot of arguments that resorted to utter bullshit and again, while the debaters were pretty good, they were outweighed by all the negative aspects they brought to the debates.

Originally posted by Advent
[B]I'll take that as translating into "IKC provided evidence in the form of viable proof and offered up probably some of the best arguments I've ever seen on this website"?

Don't be ridiculous, Spartan.

Hardly.

No offense to Lightsnake (as he's a helluva' debater and just in general a good person to talk to), but as it were, they literally dismantled most of his arguments, among with the majority of those who tried to say otherwise.

Seriously.

While they may be wrong now, at the time they were "right" so to speak. Insomuch as the evidence, reasoning, and logic they provided was so much more convincing (which is really all that matters) to the degree where even I argued the same things on a different forum (AcStyles, VinCon, and Lightsnake can tell you that).

And their arguments were far from crappy.

Correction: They began to "bash" those who disagreed because they offered little to nothing intelligent; and if that wasn't the case, the insulting could probably be attributed to the fact the same things were constantly repeated after being constantly refuted.

And not only that, but the fact that there's such an abundance of idiots on this forum makes you a bit fed up with being nice, too.

True. You and now Gideon are the best examples of that 😛

I laughed out loud.

Definitely true, but he was hil-freakin'-arious. Not to mention a much better debater than almost everyone currently here -- save for a few select members. I'd rather have a thousand Sorgo's than one luk_im_ubar or SW_Legend.

IKCs arguments consisted of half well thought out arguments with a LOT of bullshit in them, while the other half consisted of psueointellectual text wasting trying to point out logical fallacies instead of actually debating.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
IKCs arguments consisted of half well thought out arguments with a LOT of bullshit in them, while the other half consisted of psueointellectual text wasting trying to point out logical fallacies instead of actually debating.

My intense love for you notwithstanding, as someone who managed to observe the height of their so-called 'reign' on these forums, I have to say that they argued primarily out of preferences and biases first and foremost, with evidence and logic ranking at a distant second. I also note that some of them have engaged in acts of double standards and belittlement achievements or feats performed by characters that they didn't like when it suited their purpose.

When comparing Lightsnake to them, I'd say that's hard. Yes, they can construct arguments and present them in a wittier and charismatic manner than anyone I've ever seen here [Lightsnake included]; but in terms of accurately applying logic and reason? I'd say he left them trailing desperately behind.

Intelligent or not, arguing that 'Dooku equals Yoda!', 'Dooku is more powerful than Sidious!', 'Ragnos can curbstomp everyone and their mother without use of all of his limbs' is absolutely stupid. It is in these arguments where their former positions were debunked completely. A few of them can't argue Ancient Sith supremacy, so one of them made a thread not too long ago saying that "it is pointless!" to compare the Ancient Sith to their descendants or other Force users on the basis that we "don't know enough" about them or their culture.

Hell, one such argument involving Palpatine is that - even though he is proven to be "the most powerful" - he can't necessarily defeat any other Sith in combat, and one such debater stubbornly clings to that last line of defense. Yet, in hypothetical versus matches, are we not [unless in rare circumstances] to assume that the strongest wins? Not in this case, apparently.

Now, I'm not claiming that I or Lightsnake or anyone here equals or comes close to Janus and co. in terms of intelligence or charisma or even comedy but I will say that - in my own opinion - we apply logic on several topics far better than they ever did. Thus proving that simple high intellect doesn't exactly translate to high debating skills.

Originally posted by Advent
[B]I'll take that as translating into "IKC provided evidence in the form of viable proof and offered up probably some of the best arguments I've ever seen on this website"?

Don't be ridiculous, Spartan.

Hardly

No offense to Lightsnake (as he's a helluva' debater and just in general a good person to talk to), but as it were, they literally dismantled most of his arguments, among with the majority of those who tried to say otherwise.

Seriously.

While they may be wrong now, at the time they were "right" so to speak.

Insomuch as the evidence, reasoning, and logic they provided was so much more convincing (which is really all that matters) to the degree where even I argued the same things on a different forum (AcStyles, VinCon, and Lightsnake can tell you that).

And their arguments were far from crappy.

Correction: They began to "bash" those who disagreed because they offered little to nothing intelligent; and if that wasn't the case, the insulting could probably be attributed to the fact the same things were constantly repeated after being constantly refuted.

And not only that, but the fact that there's such an abundance of idiots on this forum makes you a bit fed up with being nice, too.

I laughed out loud.

Definitely true, but he was hil-freakin'-arious. Not to mention a much better debater than almost everyone currently here -- save for a few select members. I'd rather have a thousand Sorgo's than one luk_im_ubar or SW_Legend.

So, Advent, can I expect to see you on IM before Christmas 😉

nsomuch as the evidence, reasoning, and logic they provided was so much more convincing (which is really all that matters) to the degree where even I argued the same things on a different forum (AcStyles, VinCon, and Lightsnake can tell you that).

The good old gamefaqs days of arguing endlessly with that Asian Chick person 😉 , and me getting Dan Wallace to come to this forum, and LS taking credit for it...

Well regardless, I'm just glad the days of sucking on the Ancient Sith's dicks are over and done with, except for a few members(*cough*SW Legend*cough*. That and the constant bullying into making you agree with them was getting annoying as hell. Still, they did provide some sort of authority here, though in the end, it got their heads so much they decided to take on the superiors and subsequently got their asses handed to them.

Gideon's a cool dude, though I think I remember him being a bit more patient than now. Then again, the stupidity and n00bism of the SW Vs forum does get to you after awhile.

Advent is cool gal. I bit pissed off all the time, but like I said before, the SW Vs forum does that to you. Though I still don't know why she has 'Retired Debater' over her avatar, considering she still DOES participate in debates.

I rarely see LS debate anymore. Guess the Vs forum got alittle boring after awhile.

And me? Well, I AM the Ultimate Badass of the forums so, yeah. I used to be a pretty damn good debater, I think I still am, I just need to get settled in since this forum's changed again while I wasn't here. 😛

Gideon's a cool dude, though I think I remember him being a bit more patient than now. Then again, the stupidity and n00bism of the SW Vs forum does get to you after awhile.

I used to be a lot more patient than what I am now; I suppose it's a teen thing. Ironic that at 14, I had more patience on these forums than I do at 16. So much for emotional maturity and growth as one ages.

Originally posted by Gideon
I used to be a [B]lot more patient than what I am now; I suppose it's a teen thing. Ironic that at 14, I had more patience on these forums than I do at 16. So much for emotional maturity and growth as one ages. [/B]

And me. I hate each and every one of you equally and I don't care enough to put forth my time and effort into debating about star wars, with my limited resources. However, sometimes I do because sometimes it is enjoyable when I'm arguing with the likes of LS, or Escape, or Advent. Other times when I argue with intellectually inferior jackasses, I just don't care.. Btw I'm the best looking person on these forums, hands down.