3 gods vs 6 top tiers.

Started by UniOmni13 pages

Originally posted by panthergod
Of course, the next step in track to honesty about Superman, Astro, is you admitting that these CONSISTENT showings over the c ourse of decades and under multiple writers are actually indicative of Superman current level of power and formidabililty.

Acknowledging Superman's explcit increases in power level and general trend of increasing feat levels and relative formidablilty woudn't be a bad thing, either, as well as the fact that his power level is *clearly* dynamic anf fluctuates based partially on his mental state/subconsious superhuman holding back reflex ever since the Byrne era.

Darkseid [b]specifically stated that Superman's strength was higher than ever in Apokolips Now.

That's what it would require--actually accepting Superman's continuity ,feats and the way his varying powerlevel factor works as is instead of ignoring/downplaying anything that you think gives Superman too much of an advantage over your favorite characters.

I know that would mean acknowledging the fact that Superman is more powerful than Hal and physically above Orion, but hey, If I can accept that Captain America trumps Batman after years of arguing otherwise as a Batman fanatic, then even you can do it, Astro. [/B]

But the thing you never seemed to understand Jelly, is that it's not written in stone that Superman is always capable of mimicing dynamic power increases.

Under one writer sure, under another not so much.

Continuity is a fluid thing, and while you can find examples that prove your agenda, someone else can likely find examples that contradict it.

Pillow Biter understands this, but you think it's written in stone that Superman can power jump.

Not at all.

It depends entirely on who's at the helm.

And Orion freed himself from the Source Wall, whereas Superman didn't.

That's at least one comparison that puts Orion>Superman.

I brought this point to you at SHC, and you didn't address it then.

Originally posted by UniOmni
But the thing you never seemed to understand Jelly, is that it's not written in stone that Superman is always capable of mimicing dynamic power increases.

That's actually always been MY argument.

But good thing to know that you've been listening to me.


Under one writer sure, under another not so much.

Continuity is a fluid thing, and while you can find examples that prove your agenda, someone else can likely find examples that contradict it.

Pillow Biter understands this, but you think it's written in stone that Superman can power jump.

Not at all.

It depends entirely on who's at the helm.

lol, me and PB have both been arguing that exact point for YEARS, dude. meanwhile you got people like Astro and Ares who ignore this in order to prop up the mid level 'Avergae' showings as Sueprman's limit in order to save thier favorites from being compared to Superman's high end portrayals.

Mind you, the writers who portrayed the dynamic mental/holding back back factor have all been some of the the MAIN, primary writers of the Superman continuity over the past 20 years. From Byrne/Stern to Jurgens to Loeb/Casey/Scultz to Verheiden to Busiek/Johns.

Regardless, he has the power to fluctuate his stats, period. No character displays or is portrayed with every single abiltiy they have in every single story under every writer.


And Orion freed himself from the Source Wall, whereas Superman didn't.

That's at least one comparison that puts Orion>Superman.

I brought this point to you at SHC, and you didn't address it then.


Cool.

that's literally one..compared to many.

And in that storyline, neither could Darkseid.

And Superman doesn't have trouble with holding big building walls like Orion does.

There really no legitimate argument to claim that Orion is Superman's strength equal at this point. Maybe Byrne Era, sure. But now? SMH.

Gods but I like this thread

You are the master of making dumb threads.

If Thanos preps, MURDER HE WROTE.