The best lightsaber fighters . . .

still Mauls close combat skill might be a problem to a fencer

Yeah, we've already covered that, but as Lee isn't fencing in the film, and as I cannot see how he looks like a fencer trying to fight like a swordsman rather than just a swordsman, I just can't see this point.

It was obvious that Obi-wan and Anakin didn't have a chance against Dooku, while Yoda morte than held his own. Mace Windu's (suppossed) unusual lightsaber fighting style would've allowed him to hold his own against Dooku. Darth Maul's speed, ferocity and double-bladed lightsaber would have been interesting against Dooku's calculating precision. Qui-Gon's knowledge of Dooku's fighting style from his teachings (Dooku was Qui-Gon's teacher . . . or so Dooku claimed) would've certainly given him an edge in using counter-techniques. However, Darth Vader vs Darth Tyranus would be most interesting. Dooku would have the edge with skill. However, Vader with his awesome power from his anger (as we saw in AOTC) would more than compensate with sheer aggression and ferocity.

Vader, as GL has stated, is too crippled to fight well. Dooku would beat him easily.

Vader's real strength comes from his anger. He had a lot more anger inside him than Darth Tyranus (Dooku) did. I read that Vader's Sith armor actually enhances his combat abilities even further, as was evident in the OT.

Wasn't really THAT evident, and that is not canon. Anger or otherwise he still would have been for the chop. The PT combatants are a class ahead of the OT ones.

Darth Vader IS both PT and OT. I guess we'll just have to wait to see how good he is in his black Sith armor in Episode 3 . . .

But he isn't crippled in the PT, is he? You know what I meant. Obi-Wan is both as well, but he has become enfeebled by then.

PT is all different.

Vader, as GL has stated, is too crippled to fight well. Dooku would beat him easily.

To be honest, Dooku exhibited more tricks than Vader ever did.

The fact is that Luke, half-trained, as GL himself calls him, would never have been able to beat Vader if Vader had not been so inconvenienced by his injuries. It has been made clear that the OT combatants are not up to scratch!

Darth Vader can't be beaten. Period.

what was all the nagging about in other threads about "not overanalysing"? it's a kids movie, don't go all hyper about who's the best fighter

Darth Vader can't be beaten. Period.

Err... do you mean Vader in his prime? Because then that is possibly true. But by the OT, clearly otherwise.

Originally posted by yerssot
what was all the nagging about in other threads about "not overanalysing"? it's a kids movie, don't go all hyper about who's the best fighter

what?

well i guess his prime.
but even in his old age ... very difficult ... just too powerful with the force.

Count Dooku is my second favourite sith though. I think the best piece of casting for episode 2. Wish they had shown more of him in the storyline ... it's a really good character.

yoda obviously.

well all the fancy moves came in the NT, so if GL made EPIV today I guess Vader wouldbe a real bad ass fighting

It doesn't matter about Vader's power with the Force. It is fairly clear that regardless of Force power, sabre skill counts a whole lot more (Dooku is MUCH better than Obi-Wan with the Force but needed a sabre to beat him).

And regardless of anger, power, or otherwise, GL made it clear that the OT combatants are not as good as th PT ones, and that incluides crippled Vader.