Yes, everytime he's "died" his soul was removed. His will power is not attached to his body, its all in his soul. He could easily resist being sperated from the Jenova matter. You don't seem to understand that Sephiroth's will has bested the most powerful things in FF VII's universe. His soul can't be destroyed or removed from his body.
besting the most powerful things in FF and besting kain are completly diffrent things
like besting spiderman is not the same as besting MJJ
what do you talk about now, first you say his soul was "removed" every time he died, then you say "his soul cannot be removed from his body"...this seems like a contradiction to me, his soul will be safely stored in the reaver for raziel to swallow. Sephiroth will be no more.
If his body is intact he cannot be seperated from it. If his body is completely destroyed though, then his soul is all he's left with, thats how it is out of a body but cannot be removed from his body if he has one.
Also, his soul is still an extremely powerful opponent, it nearly killed Cloud. And then we have to consider that Sephiroth's will would keep him from going into the soul reaver, just as it prevented him joining the lifestream.
the lifestream and the reaver are two diffrent things, nothing in kainverse has ever escaped the reavers imprisonment, the lifestream is like the underworld or the river of souls for FFverse is it not? its basically all he is doing if this is true, is not going to the underworld, wheras being forcefully imprisoned is diffrent altogether
also where does it say or state this? or where does it happen, his soul cannot be touched while his body is present? not that it matters, kain ahs all the time in the world to blast it to pieces with various means of spells but what makes you belive his soul cannot be touched?
The fact that his will prevents anything from hurting his soul is where I'm getting this from, he can always retain his spirit energy. Also, resisting the lifestream would be much harder to resist than the soul reaver, and this is coming from a fan of both series'. The power of the entire planet and Minerva is more to resist than the soul reaver.
And I don't know why you're focusing so much on Kain. Raziel would be the bigger threat by far, because he can pop up again as soon as he's downed.
wtf lol, this is where you show your little knowledge on kain since Kain would not be downed at all, yes Raziel will pop up again but he lacks many means to fight the two FF
Kain on the other hand has all the means to incapitate them, all this about Sephiroths will is suspect to me, can you prove these things, that his will will stop anything ,also what makes you think the lifestream soul taking>>soul reavers? the Soul reaver has had no failures or difficulties...the Lifestream if Sephiroth has resisted it has one..whats the lfiestream, is it a lifestealer, its just like a river of souls...
also his soul wont be hurt, just imprisoned...
Kain time controls and then does whatever he likes...he will kill Sephiroths brain with a mind spark and then leave him retarded on the floor playing with clouds broken body
Sephiroth's mind can't be broken silly. If it could he would be just another part of the lifestream by now. His will has prevented death 3 times, prevents his soul from diverging with the lifestream(which has the power of all spirit energy on the planet and the godess Minerva, more to resist than the soul reaver), held back the most powerful spell in existance, and allows him to keep coming back.
A mere mind spark would do nothing to Sephiroth. Even with this, considering Sephiroth's speed and power Kain's body would be destroyed before he could think about doing any of his special attacks.
you truly lack knowledge on kain 🙄
Originally posted by fascistcrusaderprove it..
Sephiroth's mind can't be broken silly.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
more to resist than the soul reaver)
Originally posted by fascistcrusaderkain is as fast if not faster than seph, and even if seph did somehow "destroy" kain, he will simply come back...kain always come back, and he does it much faster than seph does..
considering Sephiroth's speed and power Kain's body would be destroyed before he could think about doing any of his special attacks.
Originally posted by Burning thought
nothing in kainverse has ever escaped the reavers imprisonment
prove it..
His will can prevent death and hold back the most powerful magic in history. Its safe to it would prevent Sephiroth losing his mind.
nothing resists the soul reaver...thats the difference...it cannot be resisted, it simply does what it does...also, soul stealing is not the only thing that kain can do to kill seph
The lifestream is inescapable as well. Sephiroth defied the universe itself when he cheated it and death like that. And Raziel escabed the Soul Reaver, so apparently it can be done.
And once again, Sephiroth is stronger and faster than Kain, he would definitely kill him first.
kain is as fast if not faster than seph, and even if seph did somehow "destroy" kain, he will simply come back...kain always come back, and he does it much faster than seph does..
your forgetting one thing...seph never instantly moves in for the kill...he gloats and toys with people...kain is the exact opposite...he pauses only to gain information, then he slaughters whatever gets in his way, the only exception being raz, whom kain needed to live..
Umm, Sephiroth can move instantaneously, Kain isn't faster than him. The only reason Sephiroth doesn't demonstrate his speed in AC is because he wants to keep Cloud alive and make him suffer, in CC, his weakest form, he lets it all out against Zack.
Originally posted by fascistcrusaderexcept that seph already lost his mind..forgot that part 😛
His will can prevent death and hold back the most powerful magic in history. Its safe to it would prevent Sephiroth losing his mind.
Originally posted by fascistcrusaderraziel only escaped because the reaver hit raziel, thus creating a paradox that broke the sword..
The lifestream is inescapable as well. Sephiroth defied the universe itself when he cheated it and death like that. And Raziel escaped the Soul Reaver, so apparently it can be done
Originally posted by fascistcrusader1. kain cant die
And once again, Sephiroth is stronger and faster than Kain, he would definitely kill him first.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Umm, Sephiroth can move instantaneously, Kain isn't faster than him. The only reason Sephiroth doesn't demonstrate his speed in AC is because he wants to keep Cloud alive and make him suffer, in CC, his weakest form, he lets it all out against Zack.
except that seph already lost his mind..forgot that part
He never lost his mind, he lost his composure and burned down Nibeheim, which was before he got his boost in power anyway. He quickly realized the truth of Jenova and came up with a much more grand plan. So it still stands that Sephiroth cannot lose his mind.
raziel only escaped because the reaver hit raziel, thus creating a paradox that broke the sword..
Sephiroth only excaped because his will was the most powerful force in the universe.
. kain cant die
2. prove hes faster (i know that he is stronger, but when it comes to speed, they are fairly equal)
1. Neither can Sephiroth
2. Teleportation is instantaneous, it is not possible to be faster than it.
Umm, kain can teleport instantaneously, good match ..also, zack is mortal, and he still survived seph's assult..and you think that kain, who has 3-5000 years more experience, survived losing his heart, and is NOT mortal cant take seph's hits?
Zack only survived because Sephiroth was preoccupied with freeing his mother, once he was down there was no reason to go after him. I suppose you're right though. It would be closer than an instant kill for Sephiroth, but I still say Seph holds the advantage. If we take away their ability to come back after death I say Sephiroth wins.
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first you say seph went all out, now you say he was preoccupied..
make up you mind 😛
kain can teleport as well, so your speed argument is moot..
you underestimate kains duability..he loses his heart, only to go after the elder god and get whacked by tentacles that push through rock like it was air 😬
if we did take away the immortality issue, i'd say the fight stays even..they are both equally fast, capable of teleportation and TK..both have insane magical powers and are in some way amped by their swords...
first you say seph went all out, now you say he was preoccupied..
make up you mind
He was hitting with full force, but he didn't kill Zack because after the threat he posed was neutralized he wanted to go right back to mother. Now do you understand it?
kain can teleport as well, so your speed argument is moot..
you underestimate kains duability..he loses his heart, only to go after the elder god and get whacked by tentacles that push through rock like it was air
Sephitroth in his weakest form had his spine severed and most of his internal organs choped up and was still walking around. AC Sephiroth is exponentially better in every way, so I think its safe to say Sephiroth wins the durability award.
if we did take away the immortality issue, i'd say the fight stays even..they are both equally fast, capable of teleportation and TK..both have insane magical powers and are in some way amped by their swords...
They are both powerful, but Sephiroth definitely has the edge. He is more powerful and more durable, so the odds are in his favor.
Originally posted by fascistcrusaderyep 😂
He was hitting with full force, but he didn't kill Zack because after the threat he posed was neutralized he wanted to go right back to mother. Now do you understand it?
Originally posted by fascistcrusaderi call that healing 😬 just like cloud healed instantly when he got shot in the head and stabbed in the shoulder
Sephitroth in his weakest form had his spine severed and most of his internal organs choped up and was still walking around. AC Sephiroth is exponentially better in every way, so I think its safe to say Sephiroth wins the durability award.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
They are both powerful, but Sephiroth definitely has the edge. He is more powerful and more durable, so the odds are in his favor.
also, i cant see how AC seph is much better, seeing as all he acomplaished that was any different was TK topple a building and summon that "dark lifestream" thing...neither of these prove he was any more durable..
In AC his body is made of just Jenova cells and negative mako. Pure Jenova cells are far more durable than Sephiroth's human body.
if kain kills seph, he has to wait a minimum of 2 years for seph to continue the battle (not that thats a problem for him, being millenia old and all), but if seph kills kain first, and kain comes back instantly...
my point is (yes i actually have a point....for once) that this is a stalemate, both are immortal in their own sense..
I said it was a stalemate in my first post, but for the sake of argument we're talking away their immortality. I'm of the opinion that Sephiroth could kill Kain before Kain killed him, and because they don't have their immortality that makes him the winner.
i reckon it depends on who casts what first..if kain TK shackles/timestops seph then theres nothing stopping kain from going all out on him...and seph could do the same back 😬
arent we also completely forgetting raziel, who is kain's equal in terms of fighting, and cloud, who is without doubt a formidable fighter..both could turn the fight either way..