H.I.V. 2 year old barred from pool (Right or Wrong?)

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
I've swam in a pool with someone I knew had AIDS. It didn't bother me because I, ya know, know my biology and chemistry facts...

There are no more X-factors in a kid swimming in pool who is HIV positive then there is with a kid who is HIV positive walking down the street.

In my opinion, morally speaking, if a kid isn't allowed to swim in a pool (One of the most sterile places to be if you had AIDS) because he is HIV positive then he shouldn't be allowed to live should he? He's no more dangerous in the pool then eh is on a playground, or walking down the street.

Its a ridiculous ''moraly speaking'' logic.

Firstly, the kid is not gonna be in a pool by itself where no other kid is gonna be near him in the 2 meter radius. Kids play together. They touch. A lot.

Second, cuts, sores or breaks ALL pose a risk in infection.

CDC has published report in which it is claimed that due to the risk, French kissing with known HIV infected person is not recommended (since there can be risk of cuts in the mouth or occasional gums bleed)

Like it or not, there is still a RISK, regardless of how minimal, and that risk is what parents and the owners of the pool are, rightly, not willing to accept.

Do people think that people with HIV, just stay away from pools? Of course they don't, loads of us have probably swam in the same pool, as someone who has HIV. What do people want now? For medical records to be required for a gym membership?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
There is absolutely no way you can get HIV from using the same pool or shower facilities as someone who is HIV+. What is the issue?

Remember years ago when Karl Malone refused to play in the NBA all star game because Magic Johnson has AIDS?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Its a ridiculous ''moraly speaking'' logic.

Firstly, the kid is not gonna be in a pool by itself where no other kid is gonna be near him in the 2 meter radius. Kids play together. They touch. A lot.

Second, cuts, sores or breaks ALL pose a risk in infection.

CDC has published report in which it is claimed that due to the risk, French kissing with known HIV infected person is not recommended (since there can be risk of cuts in the mouth or occasional gums bleed)

Like it or not, there is still a RISK, regardless of how minimal, and that risk is what parents and the owners of the pool are, rightly, not willing to accept.

Right. Kids do touch each other a lot. As such, the kid should just be put in a quarantine for the rest of his life, or just killed. Because, after all, there's always that one-billionth of a chance that the kid will fall out of the sky and land on another kid, while bleeding, and his blood will infect a wound the kid has.

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Right. Kids do touch each other a lot. As such, the kid should just be put in a quarantine for the rest of his life, or just killed. Because, after all, there's always that one-billionth of a chance that the kid will fall out of the sky and land on another kid, while bleeding, and his blood will infect a wound the kid has.

I worked as "Park Service" for a local water park. Now that's just a cute way of saying janitor. Now while pools have rules about not running we all know how well little kids listen to rules. The problem is not in the actual water, the problem is if the kid gets hurt on the outside of the pool he could leave blood on the outside of the pool, you know, where the chlorine and bleach are not? Bleach is used to clean blood spills up, but its not added to the pools. However if some other kid get to the bloodspill before the janitor can the kid can become infected from it.

Now we're trained to treat every spill like it was contaminated, it really would be in this case. You can also bump or scrape body parts on the bottom or sides of the pool if they're just cement. or if there are cracks in the tile.now the blood inside the pool would be sterilized, but what are you going to do? Leave the kid in the pool til the bleeding stops? It wouldn't until all the blood was out of the kid. So then you take it out of the chlorine? Well then the blood is no longer in the chlorine is it?

And for pete's sake the kid was two, two year olds listen to people about as well as cats do. There's a reason they're called the terrible twos.

Originally posted by Creshosk
What lovely little strawmen. toss 'em out and try to deal with lil bitchiness's point in front of you instead of creating extreme points for yourself to fight.

I worked as "Park Service" for a local water park. Now that's just a cute way of saying janitor. Now while pools have rules about not running we all know how well little kids listen to rules. The problem is not in the actual water, the problem is if the kid gets hurt on the outside of the pool he could leave blood on the outside of the pool, you know, where the chlorine and bleach are not? Bleach is used to clean blood spills up, but its not added to the pools. However if some other kid get to the bloodspill before the janitor can the kid can become infected from it.

Now we're trained to treat every spill like it was contaminated, it really would be in this case. You can also bump or scrape body parts on the bottom or sides of the pool if they're just cement. or if there are cracks in the tile.now the blood inside the pool would be sterilized, but what are you going to do? Leave the kid in the pool til the bleeding stops? It wouldn't until all the blood was out of the kid. So then you take it out of the chlorine? Well then the blood is no longer in the chlorine is it?

And for pete's sake the kid was two, two year olds listen to people about as well as cats do. There's a reason they're called the terrible twos.

The argument of lil bitchiness is the one that is "a lovely little strawman." One cannot contract HIV the way she describes, nor the way you describe. Educate yourself, and then have an opinion.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The argument of lil bitchiness is the one that is "a lovely little strawman." One cannot contract HIV the way she describes, nor the way you describe. Educate yourself, and then have an opinion.

Sorry kid, I'm going to listen to the people with the medical degrees, not someone I know nothing about.

I have a doctorate in nameology.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Dude, I'm the one who's trianed to clean up that stuff, unless you're saying that people with medical training that came in and talked to us are wrong and that I'm supposed to take some schmuck(you) on a message boards opinion as truth. So what's your agenda? you got aids yourself, and desperatly want what you say, which contradicts the medics who talked to us, to be the truth?

Sorry kid, I'm going to listen to the people with the medical degrees, not someone I know nothing about.

Well, to be honest, you think we should listen to you and you are, or were a cleaner. I don't think you're the authority on the matter. You do realise that the people who talked to you, weren't talking specifically about aids and HIV, right? They would have been talking about a variety of infections, of which I very much doubt included HIV and aids.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Well, to be honest, you think we should listen to you and you are, or were a cleaner. I don't think you're the authority on the matter. You do realise that the people who talked to you, weren't talking specifically about aids and HIV, right? They would have been talking about a variety of infections, of which I very much doubt included HIV and aids.

Sorry, but you're going to have to try using an argument that doesn't change history.

And I wasn't claiming a position of authority. 😆 I'm saying I'm going to listen to the autorities on the subject over a bunch of armchair activists.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Which is why HIV was specifically mentioned, ya? 🙄

Sorry, but you're going to have to try using an argument that doesn't change history.

And I wasn't claiming a position of authority. 😆 I'm saying I'm going to listen to the autorities on the subject over a bunch of armchair activists.

What did they say about HIV then? Because I actually do not believe it was specifically mentioned.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
What did they say about HIV then? Because I actually do not believe it was specifically mentioned.

I don't bloody well care if you believe it or not. You're free to believe things that are false. Not like you can be arrested for it. 🙄

So they used it as a scare tactic, into getting employees to abide health and safety procedure? You'd have always had to have worn gloves, not because it could be infected with HIV, which would somehow infect you.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
So they used it as a scare tactic, into getting employees to abide health and safety procedure? You'd have always had to have worn gloves, not because it could be infected with HIV, which would somehow infect you.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Right. It was nothing more than a scare tactic. Care to prove it? Where's your medical degree Mr. 18 year old? hmm

I don't have a medicine degree. But then again, I'm not a cleaner either.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I don't have a medicine degree. But then again, I'm not a cleaner either.

So tell me, what gives YOU more authority than the medics who came in and talked to us? hmm because you're more outraged about the owner of a private pool deciding to protect his other customers rather than risk an infection.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Neither am I. 🙄

So tell me, what gives YOU more authority than the medics who came in and talked to us? hmm because you're more outraged about the owner of a private pool deciding to protect his other customers rather than risk an infection.

I don't have more authority than them, I don't have any less either though. Those 'medics' would not be the ones disciplining you if you didn't obey the rules, it would be your boss. Who I'm pretty sure doesn't have a degree in medicine either, but has to discipline you because he is dictated to by health and safety laws.

I believe that the people who came to talk to you, told you to treat every circumstance as if you could get infected with HIV. I do not believe they told you it was actually at all, in the remotest sense likely.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I don't have more authority than them, I don't have any less either though.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Those 'medics' would not be the ones disciplining you if you didn't obey the rules, it would be your boss.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Who I'm pretty sure doesn't have a degree in medicine either, but has to discipline you because he is dictated to by health and safety laws.

Oh, safety laws... tell me, what are the saftey laws regarding handling spilled blood in the state I'm in? Oh, wait...

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I believe that the people who came to talk to you, told you to treat every circumstance as if you could get infected with HIV. I do not believe they told you it was actually at all, in the remotest sense likely.

Or you know, you weren't there, and they did say that it was likely. Eesh, again, try to use an argument that doesn't alter history in order to make it true.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
There is absolutely no way you can get HIV from using the same pool or shower facilities as someone who is HIV+. What is the issue?

[edit]Why the hell do I even argue that. The owner of the pool should have the right to not give service to whoever they choose. Especially if souch a case can be harmful for business.

It is horrible that a two years old has that sort of sickness.But I can see why they ban him.I am not sure but it can spread if he is sharing the same water right?JM