H.I.V. 2 year old barred from pool (Right or Wrong?)

Originally posted by Bardock42
Hehe, brain damage, hehe, as if we didn't know.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
But Adam's points are spectacularly irrelevant as this place that the thread is concerned with was not doing any such thing, and the general rule that the DDA does NOT apply to private businesses remains intact.

By all means, explain how the recreational vehicle park in question is not a place of public accommodation, i.e. that it does not own, operate, lease, or lease to a place of public accommodation.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Reading the text of it makes it very clear that it is mostly concerned with public services and access to facilities. In fact, I do believe Adam has carefully snipped out the part of the definition of 'public accomodation' that specifies this. Not good when you do that.

I have not selectively excluded any information.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's PUBLIC not PRIVATE institutions.

In case you didn't know federally owned things are PUBLIC. If owned by an individual it is a PRIVATE thing.

If an institution is owned by the state or government then its public. However as the pool was owned by a PRIVATE individual the ADA does not have authority here.

A place of public accommodation is by definition a private business that offers goods, services, or facilities to the public.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
By all means, explain how the recreational vehicle park in question is not a place of public accommodation, i.e. that it does not own, operate, lease, or lease to a place of public accommodation.

I have not selectively excluded any information.

A place of public accommodation is by definition a private business that offers goods, services, or facilities to the public.

Sorry, I don't like the way you're dressed, you're not allowed in my restraunt.

Sorry, I don't like your face, you're not allowed in my night club.

Originally posted by Creshosk
It doesn't change the fact that businesses can deny services for any reason whatso ever. Sorry.

Sorry, I don't like the way you're dressed, you're not allowed in my restraunt.

Sorry, I don't like your face, you're not allowed in my night club.

Wrong. Private business can deny services, aids, or benefits so long as it is not on the basis of race, color, national origin, age or disability.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Wrong. Private business can deny services, aids, or benefits so long as it is not on the basis of race, color, national origin, age or disability.

And I got away with it by claiming it was something else.

So my naive feloow KMCer. I'm not wrong. a private business can descriminate based on that, so long as they claim it as something else.

Believe me *******, I know this from first hand experience, I know all about title 3...

Businesses can get away with alot.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So then. If I don't like someone based on one of those I can say it was something else, and thus I've still descriminated based on that.

And I got away with it by claiming it was something else.

So my naive feloow KMCer. I'm not wrong. a private business can descriminate based on that, so long as they claim it as something else.

Believe me *******, I know this from first hand experience, I know all about title 3...

Businesses can get away with alot.

In a civil case, the prosecution most prove the guilt of the defendant by a preponderance of the evidence. In other words, the couple only has to prove that it is more likely than not that their 2-year-old son was denied access to the facility on the basis of his disability. Not to mention, that the owner of the RV park has already admitted doing so.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Funny, I also have an IQ that's 193-243. During the eligability testing for disability I had a federally administered IQ test. Unfortunatly we had to travel a good distance away from home to take it and it was so long I couldn't take it all in one day. Since it would have been up to my family and I to foot the bill for the hotel stay we couldn't afford to remain to take the remainder of the test so I was given the score of 193 with the potential for it to have been up to 50 points higher had I remained to finish the test. So don't try to use my disability to insult my intelligence. My problems come with it effecting things like memories, motor control and the fact that I have temporal lobe seisures. I also have irregular brain waves and minor alpha spikes every 2-5 minutes. I'm not allowed to undertake certain tasks like operating heavy machinery or even having a drivers licence. This is purely due to the safety concerns for the public.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In a civil case, the prosecution most prove the guilt of the defendant by a preponderance of the evidence. In other words, the couple only has to prove that it is more likely than not that their 2-year-old son was denied access to the facility on the basis of his disability. Not to mention, that the owner of the RV park has already admitted doing so.

It's not exactly the most moral thing to do to descriminate against a person on grounds such as those. But people do it all the time. I lost my job as Park Service.. they slowly scaled my work hours back and then got rid of me because they had workers who were doing more work than I was.

My sister and mother worked there, so one time when I went to the water park she got a call of a former employee being on the premesis and wanted to find out how I got there.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Ooh, can I suck on your e-peen?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Funny, I also have an IQ that's 193-243. During the eligability testing for disability I had a federally administered IQ test. Unfortunatly we had to travel a good distance away from home to take it and it was so long I couldn't take it all in one day. Since it would have been up to my family and I to foot the bill for the hotel stay we couldn't afford to remain to take the remainder of the test so I was given the score of 193 with the potential for it to have been up to 50 points higher had I remained to finish the test. So don't try to use my disability to insult my intelligence. My problems come with it effecting things like memories, motor control and the fact that I have temporal lobe seisures. I also have irregular brain waves and minor alpha spikes every 2-5 minutes. I'm not allowed to undertake certain tasks like operating heavy machinery or even having a drivers licence. This is purely due to the safety concerns for the public.

You are funny...also full of shit, I am pretty sure.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
By all means, explain how the recreational vehicle park in question is not a place of public accommodation, i.e. that it does not own, operate, lease, or lease to a place of public accommodation.

I have not selectively excluded any information.

Yes you have. The definition of 'public accomodation' from the ADA's own site says, immediately after the point where you cut it off, that the act does not apply to private clubs. And again, that you exclude this is disturbing and says a lot about the quality of your argument.

Again- not going to happen. No matter what you say. You're just spouting stuff but it makes not one tiny bit of difference to the situation.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Funny, I also have an IQ that's 193-243. During the eligability testing for disability I had a federally administered IQ test. Unfortunatly we had to travel a good distance away from home to take it and it was so long I couldn't take it all in one day. Since it would have been up to my family and I to foot the bill for the hotel stay we couldn't afford to remain to take the remainder of the test so I was given the score of 193 with the potential for it to have been up to 50 points higher had I remained to finish the test. So don't try to use my disability to insult my intelligence. My problems come with it effecting things like memories, motor control and the fact that I have temporal lobe seisures. I also have irregular brain waves and minor alpha spikes every 2-5 minutes. I'm not allowed to undertake certain tasks like operating heavy machinery or even having a drivers licence. This is purely due to the safety concerns for the public.

You're an idiot.

Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
You're an idiot.

why dont you get cancer?

Originally posted by Schecter
why dont you get cancer?

Originally posted by KidRock
I am in favor of the pool admin.

If I went swimming in that pool I would feel much safer knowing the pool administrator isn't letting people with a deadly transmittable disease swim right next to me.

It was a private pool wasnt it? The owner has the right to not let people in if he thinks it will hurt his business, which it would. This isnt a public government park or playground.

Quoted for agreement.

It sucks but then again the kid is a walking disease bomb.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You are funny...also full of shit, I am pretty sure.

But seriously, All I did was take a bunch of academics tests, and the government said that's what it was. if anyone if full of shit its them. Cause apparently a high IQ is merely how well you retain knowledge. There wasn't any real critical problem solving. All those tests really proved is how well I can take those tests.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I wish I was joking. I'd have much rather lived my life without epilepsy.

But seriously, All I did was take a bunch of academics tests, and the government said that's what it was. if anyone if full of shit its them. Cause apparently a high IQ is merely how well you retain knowledge. There wasn't any real critical problem solving. All those tests really proved is how well I can take those tests.

Oh well, it doesn't matter anyways, whether you have an IQ of 20 or 200, I will judge you for myself.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh well, it doesn't matter anyways, whether you have an IQ of 20 or 200, I will judge you for myself.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And that's best to do. I was merely using it to point out that while I may have brain damage it doesn't mean that I'm stupid. It only hinders me physically, not mentally.

I just wonder what kind of IQ test you took, because most don't rate that high. At least not the one's generally considered reliable.

I think it's fine for the child to go in the pool, HIV is only caught by blood, semen, so this child is no threat to anyone.
The child has a right to live it's life while it can.
How many times have you heard anyone dying from touching anyone with HIV?? Exactly..None.

Originally posted by Fishy
I just wonder what kind of IQ test you took, because most don't rate that high. At least not the one's generally considered reliable.