Originally posted by quanchi112
sbp would be all over ds in my opinion. hed knock him out. lets face it sbp is more than superman. but in apokolips now that didnt happen. so sbp would beat down ds im afraid.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaosyes but u have to realize ds is weaker now. he gets beaten up by superman now. back in the da it was no contest for ds to just crush him. ds isnt as powerful as back then. whether the crisis affected him or not.
The Crisis never reached the 4th world. So there is no PC Darkseid.
Originally posted by quanchi112
yes but u have to realize ds is weaker now. he gets beaten up by superman now. back in the da it was no contest for ds to just crush him. ds isnt as powerful as back then. whether the crisis affected him or not.
DS isn't any weaker than he was before. Avatars suggest he's stronger. He's doing stuff post crisis he's never done pre crisis. He beat a stronger Firestorm and Orion with a wave of a hand.
Originally posted by quanchi112
yes but u have to realize ds is weaker now. he gets beaten up by superman now. back in the da it was no contest for ds to just crush him. ds isnt as powerful as back then. whether the crisis affected him or not.
It's not like he's losing to Byrnes' Superman ya know. Obviously his recent showings against Superman show that he can beaten down physically. But his other powers still exist and he does use them
At this point SBP would win. If one goes by averages (or mode) or looks at his feats from before the Crisis he'd win.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaosi thought byrnes didnt even right apokolips now. that was the biggest superman win over ds to date. it was straight up. we look at ds how he is now. and ds loses. ds puts up a fight but goes down.
It's not like he's losing to Byrnes' Superman ya know. Obviously his recent showings against Superman show that he can beaten down physically. But his other powers still exist and he does use themAt this point SBP would win. If one goes by averages (or mode) or looks at his feats from before the Crisis he'd win.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlthose hand waves are just ridiculous to me. it counts its canon i dont argue but u know he wouldnt handwave sbp down for the count. sbp would blast his ass. hes just to powerful.
DS isn't any weaker than he was before. Avatars suggest he's stronger. He's doing stuff post crisis he's never done pre crisis. He beat a stronger Firestorm and Orion with a wave of a hand.
Originally posted by quanchi112
i thought byrnes didnt even right apokolips now. that was the biggest superman win over ds to date. it was straight up. we look at ds how he is now. and ds loses. ds puts up a fight but goes down.
I said it's not like he's losing to Superman just after the Crisis (when Byrnes was writing him at much lower levels). Superman has undergone power drift since then, people haven even commented that in terms of his standard powers he might as well be PreCrisis.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DS isn't any weaker than he was before. Avatars suggest he's stronger. He's doing stuff post crisis he's never done pre crisis. He beat a stronger Firestorm and Orion with a wave of a hand.
The Firestorm with hardly any feats, and the same Orion who had trouble breaking out of titanium? 😆
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaosbut superman compared to sbp isnt as powerful. supes couldnt beat him one on one. although im sure in future that will change, dc will have supes beat him one on one straight up eventually, i think. sbp is greater than superman. in terms of raw power.
I said it's not like he's losing to Superman just after the Crisis (when Byrnes was writing him at much lower levels). Superman has undergone power drift since then, people haven even commented that in terms of his standard powers he might as well be PreCrisis.
