Originally posted by batdude123Then please provide a senario where Clark could win without PIS, a plot devise or the use of jobbing. 🙄
Jesus Christ... this is why people don't take you seriously in Superman threads.Pathetically... [b]ridiculously
laughable.Entity ftl. [/B]
Originally posted by King KandyIts too much fun to toy with people. 😛
Entity can move Faster then Light? 😱Then why hasn't he finished his write-up yet?
Originally posted by Entity
Then please provide a senario where Clark could win without PIS, a plot devise or the use of jobbing. 🙄
What for? It'd be the equivalent of preaching to a black crowd that whites are superior (or vice-versa).
Crudeness aside, Superman has plenty of ways to win this, and HAS won against Green Lanterns pretty damn often. I don't really need to justify Superman winning, especially when the comics do all the talking that needs to be said here.
5/10 split imo.
Originally posted by Entity
All three in one nice touch.
Torquasm-Vo is PIS and jobbing? Plot device, sure... but the ring is just as big of a plot device as well.
Originally posted by Entity
Still think a green lantern with sufficient willpower should easily over power it thou.
Kyle is going to "easily overpower" it when a magical multiversal reality warper fell victim to it?
Entity's logic ftl.
Originally posted by batdude123So win there is no logical way to justify him winning you just state you don't have to justify anything and call it an even spilt. 🙄
What for? It'd be the equivalent of preaching to a black crowd that whites are superior (or vice-versa).Crudeness aside, Superman has plenty of ways to win this, and HAS won against Green Lanterns pretty damn often. I don't really need to justify Superman winning, especially when the comics do all the talking that needs to be said here.
5/10 split imo.
Originally posted by batdude123No a green lantern ring is part of the constant character and part of the story in itself. Where as T-Vo was specifically created because Superman had no way to get out of a situation with his already incredibly overwhelming choices of powers.
Torquasm-Vo is PIS and jobbing? Plot device, sure... but the ring is just as big of a plot device as well.
The writers did what they always do for him and just gave him a definite win. Without any rationality or effort to good reason behind it.
Originally posted by Entity
No a green lantern ring is part of the constant character and part of the story in itself. Where as T-Vo was specifically created because Superman had no way to get out of a situation with his already incredibly overwhelming choices of powers.The writers did what they always do for him and just gave him a definite win. Without any rationality or effort to good reason behind it.
A ring that is only limited by the user's imagination and will is indeed a plot device.
Originally posted by batdude123When your ready to debate about the topic at hand with actual reason and logic I'll attempt to join you. Until then I'm not arguing about you being right because you say so or about my debating skills when not given a honest chance to use them.
A ring that is only limited by the user's imagination and will is indeed a plot device.
Thanks anyway I'm sure your friends will be here soon enough to help you. 😉
Anyone else that wishes to discuss the topic with reason I am happy to accommodate but it may have to be tomorrow afternoon. 😉
Originally posted by Entity
Yet you still manage to completely aviod the problem."He has no way to win without PIS, a plot devise, or jobbing!"
Superior combat speed, reflexes, and strength do the trick just fine. He gets the first attack, so he blinds Kyle with high luminosity heat vision just like he did to the league when they were on the moon. And as established in Tower of Babel, Kyle's sight is the most important part of him wielding the power ring. From there, it's a KO ftw. That's one way. 🙂
Or, he could just speedblitz the shit out of Kyle not holding back any of his punches. Kyle wouldn't have a chance to react or attack in any coherent fashion because he'd be bombarded by someone with Flash level speed and Hulk level strength. And yes, Superman is strong and fast enough to provide sufficient force in order to break Kyle's shields/constructs.
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The end result of that is a KO. That's two.
Then of course there's the way that you absolutely LOVE... T-Vo. Superman brings Kyle's ass to the theta state and owns him there on his own little astral playground. That's three.
Etc.
Also, Kyle's not gonna be KO'ing Superman quickly or with one blast at all. This was proved when Kyle unloaded his ring's energies into Superman's face without holding back. Granted, Superman's face was a little messed up, but he wasn't KO'd and he wasn't downed at all. Kyle would be having a prolonged fight no matter if he wanted to or not. Supes is just too damn formidable, quick, and durable to let that happen.
And please don't act like physical force doesn't mean anything. Bullshit. There've been MANY instances where he's been hurt or KO'd with blunt force trauma rather than energy blasts. Hell, I just provided an instance in those scans.
Fact of the matter is that there's nothing Kyle can throw out there that Superman hasn't dealt with before and triumphed. You're going to sit there and tell me Superman has absolutely no way of winning this? I already take your opinions as a joke anyway because you proudly despise Superman, and completely adore Kyle, but this is just insanity. If you gained a little objectivity, you could see the error in your statements. Pick up a Superman comic every now and then... it might help you with your little tact problem you seem to have.
Kyle is not shown on average to be half as uber as most would have you think on this board. Sure he can get his fair share of wins against Supes... but 10/10? LOL
And please don't get me wrong. Kyle is one of my favorite characters of all time, but he isn't going to curbstomp Superman by any means. This would be a fantastic fight. You have to understand that versatility doesn't equal power, and it doesn't equal an automatic win. Their power output is about equal, but Superman is much faster. Kyle makes up for it in the versatility department though. In the end, I see this as a 5/10 split.
Yo.
Originally posted by batdude123
You're right... by cheap-shotting him when Superman didn't even know John was about to attack.
John had just "kra-koomed" the area where the JLA was standing, and when Supes flew up to where he was John spoke to him BEFORE he put him down.
so saying it was a cheap-shot is false; Supes simply got hit & hit HARD.
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