Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Yes. Kratos' roll can go in any direction, goes farther, is faster, and has a powerful follow up attack right after. Quality not quantity my friend.
Rolling father is not really a good evasion for attacks. it's best to evade at a short distance in order to follow up your attack better. Though, if your trying to get out of a situation it is good.
Well, links roll is slow, but his side step and Back flip are not.
The roll is omni directional, but so are links evasion tactics.
I don't believe Kratos's roll is better overall. They seem to be on par in some respects. Though, links seems better by a margin due to distance.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarThe point about how rolling farther is bad would be a good point if it were not for the fact that Kratos has no need to be close to Link to attack him, he has a follow up attack with his chain blades that hit him from like 15 feet away and causes a fiery shockwave.
Rolling father is not really a good evasion for attacks. it's best to evade at a short distance in order to follow up your attack better. Though, if your trying to get out of a situation it is good.Well, links roll is slow, but his side step and Back flip are not.
The roll is omni directional, but so are links evasion tactics.
I don't believe Kratos's roll is better overall. They seem to be on par in some respects. Though, links seems better by a margin due to distance.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
The point about how rolling farther is bad would be a good point if it were not for the fact that Kratos has no need to be close to Link to attack him, he has a follow up attack with his chain blades that hit him from like 15 feet away and causes a fiery shockwave.
True, his roll does give him positional advantage and is better suited for his type of combat. Personally, I say they are about even now that I really think about. They both allow for maximum attack potential.
But, Kratos has a much more efficient position advantage than link.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I am giving OoT Link the ability to parry/counter ala Wind Waker.
Still, Kratos still has better position advantage. When he evades he will always be in a better position since he can always attack from mid range. Link sucks at mid-range, while Kratos dominates it.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Really, even with his health items and defense magic, Kratos will outlast him. And if Link dares to shoot a Light Arrow he's dead as Kratos will Golden Fleece the crap out of it.
I disagree, if link gets long range: He can hit him with arrows that will not only stun kratos (Ice & Light arrow), but damage him too.
At close Range: Deku nut's can stun kratos allowing link to attack, and at close range his evasion is beastly. Then theirs his wind waker parry, which will give him an even better close range advantage. The only real problem is Kratos's power at close range, but with hit & run tactics link can win
Mid range: Link is screwed, those chains will wear him out, and the only mid range attack he has that can fair is "Dins Fire" which is slow. He's not taking Kratos out at that range and with little options like those. He can esacpe with faroe's wind if he's getting creamed by Kratos's mid-range advantage, But he certainly will not beat him at that range.
Also, Kratos cannot outlast link because he has a superior defense.
-Nayru's Love
-Faries
-Mirror Sheild
Link will need to keep out of the Mid-Range to win, and with Navi's help he can track Kratos easily.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Still, Kratos still has better position advantage. When he evades he will always be in a better position since he can always attack from mid range. Link sucks at mid-range, while Kratos dominates it.
I just wanted him to have that ability. I thought about making it WW Link as well...but I predicted people would just use this stupid argument:
"Please Link is a kid. He does not have any experience and he can't match anyone's strength as a kid."
God forbid the fact he has been trained as a swordsman etc.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarI take it you don't know what the Golden Fleece is? Kratos can use it almost instantaneously to deflect ANY ranged attack, or block a melee attack and follow up with a powerful counter to hurt Link and get him back to mid range. They might even work on Deku Nuts. Fairies and Nayru's Love are the real problems here but Kratos won't go down before they are used up.
Still, Kratos still has better position advantage. When he evades he will always be in a better position since he can always attack from mid range. Link sucks at mid-range, while Kratos dominates it.I disagree, if link gets long range: He can hit him with arrows that will not only stun kratos (Ice & Light arrow), but damage him too.
At close Range: Deku nut's can stun kratos allowing link to attack, and at close range his evasion is beastly. Then theirs his wind waker parry, which will give him an even better close range advantage. The only real problem is Kratos's power at close range, but with hit & run tactics link can win
Mid range: Link is screwed, those chains will wear him out, and the only mid range attack he has that can fair is "Dins Fire" which is slow. He's not taking Kratos out at that range and with little options like those. He can esacpe with faroe's wind if he's getting creamed by Kratos's mid-range advantage, But he certainly will not beat him at that range.
Also, Kratos cannot outlast link because he has a superior defense.
-Nayru's Love
-Faries
-Mirror SheildLink will need to keep out of the Mid-Range to win, and with Navi's help he can track Kratos easily.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
I take it you don't know what the Golden Fleece is? Kratos can use it almost instantaneously to deflect ANY ranged attack, or block a melee attack and follow up with a powerful counter to hurt Link and get him back to mid range. They might even work on Deku Nuts. Fairies and Nayru's Love are the real problems here but Kratos won't go down before they are used up.
How's is golden fleece gonna keep him from teleporting outta mid range, though? He can teleport with faroe's wind out of said range, and if the terrain permitts it he can use the Long Shot to gain higher ground to use his bow efficeintly.
Link has the advantage on:
-High Ground
-Long Range
And, their roughly even on close, but with Links enhancements he will definetly outlast him at said range.
Kratos:
-Mid-Range Beast
-Powerful defense via golden fleece
Link is has too much defense and versatility amongst ranges. Kratos cannot relect all his attacks, and with Navi he can track/analyze Kratos.
It's a hard fight, but he's to versatile:
Link 7/10
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarNo, I mean arrows will be useless against the Golden Fleece. Oh, and Kratos has a bow too, called Typhon's Bane which almost rapidly fires extremely fast hard to dodge wind arrows and can cause mini cyclones. The real threat for Link in Kratos' arsenal is howver, Head of Euryale. With it he can turn Link to stone, normally it takes a few seconds to work but a special attack called Euryale's blast INSTANTLY turns anything in front of Kratos to stone. After Link is stone, Kratos can bash him to pieces. For more on Kratos' arsenal of magic and equipment read my first post on page 1 as it would take to long to type again.
How's is golden fleece gonna keep him from teleporting outta mid range, though? He can teleport with faroe's wind out of said range, and if the terrain permitts it he can use the Long Shot to gain higher ground to use his bow efficeintly.Link has the advantage on:
-High Ground
-Long RangeAnd, their roughly even on close, but with Links enhancements he will definetly outlast him at said range.
Kratos:
-Mid-Range Beast
-Powerful defense via golden fleeceLink is has too much defense and versatility amongst ranges. Kratos cannot relect all his attacks, and with Navi he can track/analyze Kratos.
It's a hard fight, but he's to versatile:
Link 7/10
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
No, I mean arrows will be useless against the Golden Fleece.
I disagree, unless he somehow manage to deflect every arrow fired by Link he's screwed. Also, if he fires light arrows, the light might still stun him giving link more time for a follow up.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Oh, and Kratos has a bow toocalled Typhon's Bane which almost rapidly fires
extremely fast hard to dodge wind arrows and can cause mini cyclones.
Kratos does not use Typhon's Bane effectively enough at long range for him to compete with link. If they were to both go at long range for the remainder of the bout, Link would dominate.
Originally posted by Violent2DopeThe real threat for Link in Kratos' arsenal is howver, Head of Euryale. With it he can turn Link to stone, normally it takes a few seconds to work but a special attack called Euryale's blast INSTANTLY turns anything in front of Kratos to stone. After Link is stone, Kratos can bash him to pieces.
That attack has a slow start up, and at short range wouldn't be a too much of problem. At mid range however, link is screwed like I said. But, the start up would still allow link to escape with faroes wind.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
For more on Kratos' arsenal of magic and equipment read my first post on page 1 as it would take to long to type again.
Ok, thanks 🙂
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarIt's not like Link could just shoot arrow after arrow, each time he catches an arrow with the Golden Fleece it's deflected back at him. Your Light Arrow theory is null since nothing of the sort happened when he deflected lightningbolts back at Zeus, lightingbolts are pure light and also he doesn't really deflect the arrows back he kinda absorbs them into the fleece and shoots them back at him. Can't use Typhon's Bane effectively at long range? It automatically locks one, fires almost rapidly, and lasts as long as Kratos' magic reserves does. I agree that Euryale's Blast is not the end all, but if he were to pull it off, Link would be dead unless he used his mirror shield, then Kratos can in turn use his Fleece and they'd have a game of Gorgon Volleyball! You're welcome.😄
I disagree, unless he somehow manage to deflect every arrow fired by Link he's screwed. Also, if he fires light arrows, the light might still stun him giving link more time for a follow up.Kratos does not use Typhon's Bane effectively enough at long range for him to compete with link. If they were to both go at long range for the remainder of the bout, Link would dominate.
That attack has a slow start up, and at short range wouldn't be a too much of problem. At mid range however, link is screwed like I said. But, the start up would still allow link to escape with faroes wind.
Ok, thanks 🙂
EDIT: Before I forget how do you break apart posts like you did mine?
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
It's not like Link could just shoot arrow after arrow, each time he catches an arrow with the Golden Fleece it's deflected back at him.
Link could easily aim an arrow at the the ground to illuminate the area and Blind Kratos for a follow up attack. Also, link can set up an arrow fairly quickly. Regardless of Golden fleece's relfecting ability, Kratos will not relfect every arrow shot at him.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Your Light Arrow theory is null since nothing of the sort happened when he deflected lightningbolts back at Zeus, lightingbolts are pure light and also he doesn't really deflect the arrows back he kinda absorbs them into the fleece and shoots them back at him.
Lightining bolts are not pure light or even comparable to light itself. Light arrows contain light and can be used specifically for stunning an opponent.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Can't use Typhon's Bane effectively at long range? It automatically locks one, fires almost rapidly, and lasts as long as Kratos' magic reserves does.
When has Typhons Bane been used at extremely Long Ranges like Links bow?
Originally posted by Violent2DopeI agree that Euryale's Blast is not the end all, but if he were to pull it off, Link would be dead unless he used his mirror shield, then Kratos can in turn use his Fleece and they'd have a game of Gorgon Volleyball! You're welcome.😄
Yes, but Link could reflect indefinetly, unless Kratos can do the same with Golden fleece he's screwed.