why no love for old republic jedi?

i mean why are all the older sith and jedi from the knights of the old republic era frequently disrespected on these forums? now i know i am new and my opinoin on the subject will probably get me blasted but why no love?

Revan can't beat Maul? Asajj shits on kun in sabers? Anakin crushes Malak and Bandon at the same time? I mean wow just wow how did we get here? i mean revan and Kun are regarded as the best of their respective time and sudenly second tire PT sith wipe their ass with them I mean Wow what part of the game is that?

lol I FEEL FOR YA BROTHER iv been asking that same question for 2 months...

yea glad to see some one agrees with me i mean this board is a little ridiculous with its claims I mean the PT had grat jedi/sith but jesus they are'nt all freakin gods I mean why would you say anakin curbstomps ulic and kun at the same time I mean wow just wow

(note sorry for misspelling jolee bindo's name in my screen name i do find it quite embarrassing)

Because people felate the KOTOR people so much that we get sick of it. And you can only debate against something for so long before you get biased against it. Hence the Antediluvians and my hate for Master Chief 😐

Because most of the Jedi in that era were cocky asses who didn't take proper responsibilities, placing the blame on something or someone else. Especially when Revan and Malak became Sith.

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Because people felate the KOTOR people so much that we get sick of it. And you can only debate against something for so long before you get biased against it. Hence the Antediluvians and my hate for Master Chief 😐

But if there is an obvious open bias towards caracters then these are'nt really debates going on. They are nothing more than spite threads. Now I have seen my fare share of kotor fanboyism but if you really think countering it with PT fanboyism is the llogical thing to do then Wow just wow

Originally posted by ThoraxeRMG
Because most of the Jedi in that era were cocky asses who didn't take proper responsibilities, placing the blame on something or someone else. Especially when Revan and Malak became Sith.

Um ok I see were you are going I mean i can understanding you not liking the jedi council and the tatics that they apply through out the entire era but does that mean you should also devalue all the jedi/sith from that era?

Its because, canonically, the PT jedi and sith are amongst the greatest ever up until the godlike NJO. Also, much about Revan and the others aren't known, so its hard to debate for them against people that we have plenty of knowledge about. Maul is one of the fiercest saber duelists ever, while we don't know the extent of Revan's abilities.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Its because, canonically, the PT jedi and sith are amongst the greatest ever up until the godlike NJO. Also, much about Revan and the others aren't known, so its hard to debate for them against people that we have plenty of knowledge about. Maul is one of the fiercest saber duelists ever, while we don't know the extent of Revan's abilities.

Yes the PT jedi are amognst the strongest ever but there is a big difference in being amognst the strongest ever and being the strongest ever. It has never been canonically proven that the PT are the strongest jedi ever so why is it that a thread like Malak vs Anakin Skywalker is so haevily one sided with coments like "Malak gets curbstomped" or "anakin wipes his ass with Malak" being trown around like the gospel. What part of the game is that?

Originally posted by jole bindo
Yes the PT jedi are amognst the strongest ever but there is a big difference in being amognst the strongest ever and being the strongest ever. It has never been canonically proven that the PT are the strongest jedi ever so why is it that a thread like Malak vs Anakin Skywalker is so haevily one sided with coments like "Malak gets curbstomped" or "anakin wipes his ass with Malak" being trown around like the gospel. What part of the game is that?

I make a few points of the ot/pt powerhouses. to consider, plus I agree with what darth subject mentioned.

Anakin equals chosen one or basically son of the force. In teh zone nearly unstoppable
Sidious has been called the most powerful sith lord ever by ROTS
Mace=shatterpoint/vapaad very deadly against sith or any darkside users.
Yoda=called the greatest foe the darkness has ever seen
Luke=basically grandson of the force has the same force potential as Anakin once had.
Maul=one of the most deadly sith apprentices ever.
Dooku=great jedi even greater sith lord, greatest of the lost 20 i believe, skilled ligthsaber duelist.

Originally posted by Darth Hord
I make a few points of the ot/pt powerhouses. to consider, plus I agree with what darth subject mentioned.

Anakin equals chosen one or basically son of the force. In teh zone nearly unstoppable
Sidious has been called the most powerful sith lord ever by ROTS
Mace=shatterpoint/vapaad very deadly against sith or any darkside users.
Yoda=called the greatest foe the darkness has ever seen
Luke=basically grandson of the force has the same force potential as Anakin once had.
Maul=one of the most deadly sith apprentices ever.
Dooku=great jedi even greater sith lord, greatest of the lost 20 i believe, skilled ligthsaber duelist.

My bad i must have been thinking of him and anakin together.

^ lol np just that vader/anakin should sound fine since they are the same person anyways

Originally posted by Darth Hord
I make a few points of the ot/pt powerhouses. to consider, plus I agree with what darth subject mentioned.

Anakin equals chosen one or basically son of the force. In teh zone nearly unstoppable
Sidious has been called the most powerful sith lord ever by ROTS
Mace=shatterpoint/vapaad very deadly against sith or any darkside users.
Yoda=called the greatest foe the darkness has ever seen
Luke=basically grandson of the force has the same force potential as Anakin once had.
Maul=one of the most deadly sith apprentices ever.
Dooku=great jedi even greater sith lord, greatest of the lost 20 i believe, skilled ligthsaber duelist.

again this is all great and all (nothing personal but i know all this already) but other than Sidious and Yoda none of the others in the PT are called the Greatest but rather as being amognst the greatest there is a difference in being amognst the greatest and being the greatest.

Take my basketball reference for what it is worth but clyde drexler is amongnst the greatest players to ever play the game but he certainly is'nt the greatest just somethinng too think about

Its because we know more about them. Tehy have more books which means their stories and powers are expanded. Plus with the kotor characters we don't use gameplay,we use quotes,cutscenes,and info from he s.w. sources (and the other source also help the other characters too) I am not a fan of it (i like Bane,Revan,Kun alot) but you can't really argue against them pt/ot since they more feats,and other info known about them. Plus there are people her like Sw_legen who would like magnify revan and other kotor character's feats x10 which annoys alot of people.You can see other debates with revan in the to see what i mean.

Obviously you haven't read everything, the old republic jedi get plenty of love. Revan and Kun have more than a couple supporters around here and rightfully so. And it's not as though the old republic is lacking in strong force users, just that the best of the PT era out class those of the old republic era. Yoda, Mace, Sids, Dooku, Anakin, they're really damn good. You should read the arguments, they usually spell it out pretty clearly, sure you'll see some which are a little outrageous, but Anakin taking Revan in say a saber duel is far from implausible.

Blax had it right to an extent. A long time ago (in a galaxy far far away?) there was horrible bias the other way with people saying that Bandon would be a good fight for Sidious and that Exar Kun could defeat the entire PT Jedi Council handily. Most of the members that are still here from that time got so fed up with it that they have a bias against these characters, and shoot them down before they get over hyped again.

Also, there are all sorts of sources and hints that point to the PT being the best ever (up to the New Jedi Order, of course). For example:
* It is called the "Golden Age" of saber dueling.
* Sidious has 5+ sources claiming him as the most powerful Sith Lord in history as early as AOTC.
* Yoda is "the most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness has ever faced."
* Kit Fisto, gen Kolar and Seasse Tiin are amongst the "greatest" duelists in the 25,000 year history of the Jedi Order, and the likes of Yoda, Mace, Sidious, Anakin, Dooku, and even Obi Wan are way far ahead of them.

This is coupled with the lack of real information or feats to Revan's name. We know he was a Titan in his day, but, that's about it.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Blax had it right to an extent. A long time ago (in a galaxy far far away?) there was horrible bias the other way with people saying that Bandon would be a good fight for Sidious and that Exar Kun could defeat the entire PT Jedi Council handily. Most of the members that are still here from that time got so fed up with it that they have a bias against these characters, and shoot them down before they get over hyped again.

Well lets see were do i start for starters hate and spite is simply hate and spite. Hate cannot be justified for any reason because while fan boys are very illogical and post horrendous crap the only people who match them in ineptitude are haters.

Also, there are all sorts of sources and hints that point to the PT being the best ever (up to the New Jedi Order, of course). For example:

* It is called the "Golden Age" of saber dueling.

* Sidious has 5+ sources claiming him as the most powerful Sith Lord in history as early as AOTC.

* Yoda is "the most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness has ever faced."

* Kit Fisto, gen Kolar and Seasse Tiin are amongst the "greatest" duelists in the 25,000 year history of the Jedi Order, and the likes of Yoda, Mace, Sidious, Anakin, Dooku, and even Obi Wan are way far ahead of them.

Once again nowhere does any one call the PT the greatest of all time And while it might have been a golden age in saber dueling that doesn't mean that all the greatest saber duelists ever existed during that time. Sidious Yoda and the like being far ahead of "some of the best duelists the order has ever seen" doesn't mean that Revan, ulic, Exar, Malak or some of the other powerful jedi/sith of the time can't .

And take for instance another basketball reference if you will but the 80's and 90's are regarded by many basketball experts as the golden age of the NBA.

In this time you had players like Patrick Ewing, Reggie Miller, Clyde Drexler, James Worthy, etc. who are among some of the greatest players the league has ever produced and the likes of Jordan, Bird, Magic, Shaq are far ahead of them but that doesn't mean that players like Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, or Bill Russel simply pale in comparison to the likes of jordan, magic, and bird.

Now I'm not sayin zomg revan is teh urberrest evrrrr!!!!!!!!!! no i am merely stating that he along with Ulic, Kun, Traya,etc etc are some of the most powerful beings to ever exist and should be given a little more respect than what typically flys around here as "logic."

(side note Anakin beating Revan in saber duel is not "implausible" but Anakin wiping his ass with Revan is. That is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy beyond ridiculous)

Listen this is great and all....but in KOTOR Bastila clearly states that Masters Vandar Vrook and zhar were one of the greatest Jedi of the Order...and Qu Rahn i saw him as very powerful also JUST TO SURVIVE for like 5 minutes aginst 7 Dark Jedi and 1 id like to call Jerec a Sith Lord because he has all the attributes of one...i see them as very powerful and skilled..Rahn to survive that for even 5 minutes aginst those odds were not good.....but we are on KOTOR Characters now arnt we.

Sorry for getting off subject what im trying to say is that the Jedi Council in KOTOR is just as powerful or more powerful of a Jedi Council in the PT because they ACTUALLY FOUGHT AGINST THOUSANDS OF SITH LORD IN A FREAKEN WAR WITH WHICH THEY WON! ok there we go

wern't the old republic jedi sopossed to be the best duelist ever? since the relied less on the force and becase in the good ol days hords of jedi verses hords of sith on a battle feild that means they must of known alittle more about sabers.