why no love for old republic jedi?

Originally posted by jole bindo

Once again nowhere does any one call the PT the greatest of all time And while it might have been a golden age in saber dueling that doesn't mean that all the greatest saber duelists ever existed during that time.

What do you think it means then?

Originally posted by jole bindo

Sidious Yoda and the like being far ahead of "some of the best duelists the order has ever seen" doesn't mean that Revan, ulic, Exar, Malak or some of the other powerful jedi/sith of the time can't .

Now I'm not sayin zomg revan is teh urberrest evrrrr!!!!!!!!!! no i am merely stating that he along with Ulic, Kun, Traya,etc etc are some of the most powerful beings to ever exist and should be given a little more respect than what typically flys around here as "logic."

(side note Anakin beating Revan in saber duel is not "implausible" but Anakin wiping his ass with Revan is. That is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy beyond ridiculous)

Honestly dude, Revan and Kun are easily in the top ten in terms of all out ability. What more do you want exactly? While there are some that may be arguably better than them in terms of saber combat, only like 5 or 6 people in ALL of star wars beat them all out.

Originally posted by MasterAshenVor

Sorry for getting off subject what im trying to say is that the Jedi Council in KOTOR is just as powerful or more powerful of a Jedi Council in the PT because they ACTUALLY FOUGHT AGINST THOUSANDS OF SITH LORD IN A FREAKEN WAR WITH WHICH THEY WON! ok there we go

Yeah, but the PT jedi benefit from 4000 years of technique improvements. And that war, they were getting their asses kicked, Revan managed to bail their collective asses out.

Originally posted by Pwned61
What do you think it means then?

"golden age"( for one the PT has never been offically dubed "Golden age of saber dueling" I could be wrong but i'll play along if I must) to me means a period in wich over all saber skill would have been at an all time high but(this seems to be were I lose you so I will try to explain better) That does'nt mean that all of the greatest saber duelist to ever exist in the history of the galaxy are all present durring this era.

Just because something is a "golden age" still does'nt rule out the possibility that all time great saber duelist could exist in other eras a prime example of this is Luke and Kyle Katarn. Luke is the best Saber duelist of all time and Kyle Kartan is one of the best duelist ever but the NJO as a whole is not better than the PT in saber dueling. Now I know Luke is more powerful than Revan, Kun, Kreia, Malak etc and is the grandson of the force but it just goes to show that "golden age" does'nt necessarily mean all of the elite are present durring this time. Just food for thought. 🙂

Originally posted by jole bindo
"golden age"( for one the PT has never been offically dubed "Golden age of saber dueling" I could be wrong but i'll play along if I must) to me means a period in wich over all saber skill would have been at an all time high but(this seems to be were I lose you so I will try to explain better) That does'nt mean that all of the greatest saber duelist to ever exist in the history of the galaxy are all present durring this era.

Just because something is a "golden age" still does'nt rule out the possibility that all time great saber duelist could exist in other eras a prime example of this is Luke and Kyle Katarn. Luke is the best Saber duelist of all time and Kyle Kartan is one of the best duelist ever but the NJO as a whole is not better than the PT in saber dueling. Now I know Luke is more powerful than Revan, Kun, Kreia, Malak etc and is the grandson of the force but it just goes to show that "golden age" does'nt necessarily mean all of the elite are present durring this time. Just food for thought. 🙂

Luke is....well he's Luke. And nothing you've said in all that supports your claim that the old republic era jedi are underrated.

Originally posted by Pwned61
Luke is....well he's Luke. And nothing you've said in all that supports your claim that the old republic era jedi are underrated.

This is no way a personal attack but you completly ignored Kyle Katarn. Kyle katarn is not luke hell hes not even Revan or Kun for that matter he is.....well hes kyle but my examples are just showing that the PT isn't the be all and end all to everything starwars

But hey if you don't feel that the old republic is weak and that revan, malak, exar, ulic, and sion would all get beat by anakin 'in teh z0ne' skywalker'(who came up with this this is not cannon of the reasons why anakin beat Dooku nothing of him 'being in teh z0ne" was ever mentioned) all at the same time then maybe the original question was'nt directed towards you.

This thread is for the people who seriously beleive that revan couldn't beat maul or that qui gon beats malak or asajj destroys Ulic or some other blatant pt fanboyism that trys to get passed of around here as "unbiased debating." Those are the ones who are underrating the old republic era jedi/sith.

i ask once again what part of the game is that?

Originally posted by Atticus
wern't the old republic jedi sopossed to be the best duelist ever? since the relied less on the force and becase in the good ol days hords of jedi verses hords of sith on a battle feild that means they must of known alittle more about sabers.

PT jedi > Kotor jedi

Originally posted by jole bindo

But hey if you don't feel that the old republic is weak and that revan, malak, exar, ulic, and sion would all get beat by anakin 'in teh z0ne' skywalker'(who came up with this this is not cannon of the reasons why anakin beat Dooku nothing of him 'being in teh z0ne" was ever mentioned) all at the same time then maybe the original question was'nt directed towards you.

Originally posted by jole bindo

This thread is for the people who seriously beleive that revan couldn't beat maul or that qui gon beats malak or asajj destroys Ulic or some other blatant pt fanboyism that trys to get passed of around here as "unbiased debating." Those are the ones who are underrating the old republic era jedi/sith.

Originally posted by Manslayer
Oh shut up already. The ROTS novel clearly stated anakin was fighting clearly and tooled dooku with ease so therefore anakin is in the zone. You want the quote? Ask some other members. I wont give it to a kotor fanboy

I ask who ever said quigon can beat malak? Who said asaji destroys ulic? I never seen that shit here before. And maul beating revan? In a saber duel, yea

Agreed I already gave basically said it in the revan vs anakin thread but I'll post it again. And Maul gave Sidious a really good fight too.

Originally posted by Darth Hord
Yeah Anakin in teh zone is pretty much one of the best lightsaber duelists he simply decides to win and wins as it says in the ROTS novel against dooku.

"It is that simple, and that complex."

"And it is final."

"Dooku is dead already. The rest is mere detail."

Here is some more about teh zone anakin.

"In that pristine clarity, there is only one thing he must do.

Decide.

So he does.

He decides to win.

He decides that Dooku should lose the same hand he took. Decision is reality, here: his blade moves simultaneously with his will and blue fire vaporizes black Corellian nanosilk and disintegrates flesh and shears bone, and away falls a Sith Lord's lightsaber hand, trailing smoke that tastes of charred meat and burned hair."

Originally posted by jole bindo
This is no way a personal attack but you completly ignored Kyle Katarn. Kyle katarn is not luke hell hes not even Revan or Kun for that matter he is.....well hes kyle but my examples are just showing that the PT isn't the be all and end all to everything starwars

At yet you've still yet to prove that any of the Jedi of the old republic, are a match for the PT in terms of sabers. Yes, I get what you are saying, just because the PT was the golden age DOES NOT mean that all of the best lived in that era, that stands to reason. However, it seems to be that the best of the PT era would surpass those of the old republic both based on the weight of that quote as well as the fact that the PT era had the advantage of years of improvement on form and function

Originally posted by jole bindo

But hey if you don't feel that the old republic is weak and that revan, malak, exar, ulic, and sion would all get beat by anakin 'in teh z0ne' skywalker'(who came up with this this is not cannon of the reasons why anakin beat Dooku nothing of him 'being in teh z0ne" was ever mentioned) all at the same time then maybe the original question was'nt directed towards you.

The whole "in the zone" is just a fan reference to when Anakin is fighting at his best. For example when he's up against Dooku Anakin isn't blinded by rage or anything, he's got his head on straight and he's using his skill, as opposed to his fight with Obi-wan where he let his anger and arrogance get the best of him.

Originally posted by jole bindo

This thread is for the people who seriously beleive that revan couldn't beat maul or that qui gon beats malak or asajj destroys Ulic or some other blatant pt fanboyism that trys to get passed of around here as "unbiased debating." Those are the ones who are underrating the old republic era jedi/sith.

i ask once again what part of the game is that?

You should check out the older topics involving the old republic jedi. I don't remember who already eluded to it, but things back in the day were much, much worse than whatever you're observing. Revan and Kun beating NJO luke? Revan being a master of all styles, many old republic sith being a match for Sidious, it was a fun read though.

What I'm seeing is Bindo saying "You guys underrate them" and then people presenting facts against this and then Bindo going "No, I'm ignoring that and will continue saying that you underrate them."

It's rather dull.

Exactly. He's got no reason to say we underrate them. We already told him Kun and Revan are in the Top 10 of most powerful [overall].

This should mean something to him. 😕

Originally posted by jole bindo
i mean why are all the older sith and jedi from the knights of the old republic era frequently disrespected on these forums? now i know i am new and my opinoin on the subject will probably get me blasted but why no love?

Revan can't beat Maul? Asajj shits on kun in sabers? Anakin crushes Malak and Bandon at the same time? I mean wow just wow how did we get here? i mean revan and Kun are regarded as the best of their respective time and sudenly second tire PT sith wipe their ass with them I mean Wow what part of the game is that?

Sidious is THE strongest Sith Lord--EVER. Canon. Equal to, but likely less than him is Yoda, Mace, Anakin, Dooku, etc. The top PT Jedi and Sith.

It's foolish to assume that just because noone is AS strong as Sidious, then they are far weaker than him. They're still very high up.

Putting all these PT guys at the top, combined with all the stats. we have about them, combined with the LACk of stats about the KOTOR characters, leads to a bit of trickiness when it comes to squaring the two timelines against one another.

But again, with the #1 cheese being in the PT, and the rest of the PT Jedi and Sith being not THAT far beneath him, it's quite justified in saying the PTers would hurt many Jedi and Sith from the Old Sith Wars.

This is old. Its been proven now for a while that the KOTOR era Jedi, while being strong for their time, are not as good as the top Jedi in the PT. Seriously thread starter, just go to the Vs. Forums, read around a bit. Its all there and I (as I'm sure many others around here) are tired of constantly repeating ourselves to debunk the KOTOR BS arguments that always run frequent. Revan was strong, no doubt, but he's no Sidious, he's no Yoda, hes not even in the same league as DE Sidious, he's not in the same universe as NJO characters. Get over it. Move on. There is nothing we really know that makes Revan and Jedi around Revan's time better then the Top PT Jedi. Anakin Skywalker would own Malak in saber combat simply because we have no real information on how good Malak was. Sure he was good for his time but that means that he could just be as good as someone like Cin Drillag, or Kit Fisto, both of whom (one of whom did) get pwned by Anakin. There is just no way of knowing how good they really are in respect to the PT Jedi and until we do then they lose to people who have been proven to be the best of the best. Thats the way debating works.

Anakin Skywalker would own Malak in saber combat simply because we have no real information on how good Malak was.

Thats the way debating works.

Not really, you can't just claim that Anakin would absolutely own Malak in saber combat simply because we don't know enough about him. Sure, you can deduce that such a thing is likely to happen, but absolutely? Not so much, so I'd suggest hunting down whoever taught you how debating works and giving them a royal b1tchslap.

Originally posted by nmensfinest
[b]Anakin Skywalker would own Malak in saber combat simply because we have no real information on how good Malak was.

Thats the way debating works.

Not really, you can't just claim that Anakin would absolutely own Malak in saber combat simply because we don't know enough about him. Sure, you can deduce that such a thing is likely to happen, but absolutely? Not so much, so I'd suggest hunting down whoever taught you how debating works and giving them a royal b1tchslap. [/B]

Originally posted by nmensfinest
[b]Anakin Skywalker would own Malak in saber combat simply because we have no real information on how good Malak was.

Thats the way debating works.

Not really, you can't just claim that Anakin would absolutely own Malak in saber combat simply because we don't know enough about him. Sure, you can deduce that such a thing is likely to happen, but absolutely? Not so much, so I'd suggest hunting down whoever taught you how debating works and giving them a royal b1tchslap. [/B]

I haven't posted on here in a while, but I just wanted to say that I agree with you.

There is no proof that Revan could come close to defeating a PT Padawan. You could deduce it, but it wouldn't be anything absolute or definitive whatsoever. Right?

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