Originally posted by cyber tuff guy!
This wasn't current though was it. This was Hypertime.
IN an elseworlds story, made valid by hypertime, Mxy destroys everything and multiverses as well as the megaverse of hypertime(the kingdom). He fights the spectre, who we know there is only one. Mxy talks about how he must watch over infinite superman and batmen. There is only one mxy. All alternate versions were destroyed by the crisis and there was only the prime mxy and 5th left.
Originally posted by cyber tuff guy!You can't compare many titles to 'KC'... It doesn't get much better then that.
Kingdom Come was superb. As a follow up the Kingdom really was shit. It's like the Marvel tales, Blockbuster follow ups in the same format to Marvels. Poor compared to the originals.
But if you just look at Kingdom itself, without looking at it's 'big brother' so to speak, it was really good imo.
Mainly because of the revolutionary ideas it produced.
Originally posted by Galan007
Doesn't mean there's more than 1 Mxy though.
Actually the whole point of hypertime was to show all the versions of all the characters exist. In the same way the planetary/ Batman crossover did 9which used a version of hypertime) that includes things like the Cartoon versions of the characters. The whole point of Hypertime was it was all down to the writer. You can't have missed that. Waid has discussed it many times.
Originally posted by cyber tuff guy!So you believe there are an infinite amount of 5th dimensions? 😕
Actually the whole point of hypertime was to show all the versions of all the characters exist. In the same way the planetary/ Batman crossover did 9which used a version of hypertime) that includes things like the Cartoon versions of the characters. The whole point of Hypertime was it was all down to the writer. You can't have missed that. Waid has discussed it many times.
Originally posted by Galan007
You can't compare many titles to 'KC'... It doesn't get much better then that.But if you just look at Kingdom itself, without looking at it's 'big brother' so to speak, it was really good imo.
Mainly because of the revolutionary ideas it produced.
Few titles match KC (although I can think of half a dozen better off the top of my head) and without the Ross input it was bound to be a dissapointment.
Originally posted by cyber tuff guy!
Actually the whole point of hypertime was to show all the versions of all the characters exist. In the same way the planetary/ Batman crossover did 9which used a version of hypertime) that includes things like the Cartoon versions of the characters. The whole point of Hypertime was it was all down to the writer. You can't have missed that. Waid has discussed it many times.
There is only ONE mxy. Superman Batman shows how mxy watches ALL those versions of Superman and Batman. MXy destroys everything, and fights the spectre. had there been other versions, they would have stopped or fought mxy. Evidence points to one version. Any animated version would simply be an aspect of the real one as cartoons and such are kinda loopy.
Originally posted by Galan007
So you believe there are an infinite amount of 5th dimensions? 😕
This was the point of Hypertime it wasn't about comic dimensions or applying real Science to comics, it was saying whatever the writer wanted was the reality. Be it Superman and Myx from the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's or anywhere else and any Genre they were all still out there. Hypertime was not about dimensions it was about the reality of imagination which is not bound by physics. Of course in comics more than one 5th dimension exists, it depends how the writer interprets the term fifth dimension. It's not all about "Flatland".
Originally posted by cyber tuff guy!
This was the point of Hypertime it wasn't about comic dimensions or applying real Science to comics, it was saying whatever the writer wanted was the reality. Be it Superman and Myx from the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's or anywhere else and any Genre they were all still out there. Hypertime was not about dimensions it was about the reality of imagination which is not bound by physics. Of course in comics more than one 5th dimension exists, it depends how the writer interprets the term fifth dimension. It's not all about "Flatland".
Um no. There is only one 5th dimension. Let me explain. There is only alternate realities of the 3rd dimension in the positive. THere is only one Antimatter reality that matches all the alters. There is also only one 4th world, and one 5th. There is only one 5th and one mxy. The evidence lends itself to this. Any other version that an author might show, would be an aspect of the mxy prime. Or some other" imp". and it's not a stretch to say mxy plays in every dimension. Especially since he can destroy all of them and put them all back as if nothing happened. He already has shown that the dimensional barriers mean nothing to him. He skips thru megaverses with ease and pulls alterversions of Superman and batman out of his hat when the multiverse had just been destroyed once again by A. Luthor.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um no. There is only one 5th dimension. Let me explain. There is only alternate realities of the 3rd dimension in the positive. THere is only one Antimatter reality that matches all the alters. There is also only one 4th world, and one 5th. There is only one 5th and one mxy. The evidence lends itself to this. Any other version that an author might show, would be an aspect of the mxy prime. Or some other" imp". and it's not a stretch to say mxy plays in every dimension. Especially since he can destroy all of them and put them all back as if nothing happened. He already has shown that the dimensional barriers mean nothing to him. He skips thru megaverses with ease and pulls alterversions of Superman and batman out of his hat when the multiverse had just been destroyed once again by A. Luthor.
You misunderstand what Hypertime was about. It was saying all versions are real Waid has talked about it many times. In Physics only one fifth dimension exists. In comics you can have whatever you want aaccording to Hypertime. It's about all versions being valid and no canon overidding another. I thought everyone got that.
Originally posted by cyber tuff guy!
You misunderstand what Hypertime was about. It was saying all versions are real Waid has talked about it many times. In Physics only one fifth dimension exists. In comics you can have whatever you want aaccording to Hypertime. It's about all versions being valid and no canon overidding another. I thought everyone got that.
Um, I have been the hypertime town cryer for some time. I know what hypertime is. And what waid and grant meant for it to be. It's been changed some. IC retconned it into something other than what waid meant for it to be. As shown in the world's funnest, the DCU animated multiverse was a seperate reality from the Hypertime(kingdom) megaverse. I thought everyone got that. Evidence shows that there is only ONE mxy. Unless you think that dc has an infinite amount of beings capable of destroying existance and bitching the spectre.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um, I have been the hypertime town cryer for some time. I know what hypertime is. And what waid and grant meant for it to be. It's been changed some. IC retconned it into something other than what waid meant for it to be. As shown in the world's funnest, the DCU animated multiverse was a seperate reality from the Hypertime(kingdom) megaverse. I thought everyone got that. Evidence shows that there is only ONE mxy. Unless you think that dc has an infinite amount of beings capable of destroying existance and bitching the spectre.
So you're telling me the Myx from Smallville who was not 5th dimensional is the same Myx from the 1950's who is the same myx as now. They are all valid in Hypertime. You are still talking about the present continuity being the one version. This is not what Hypertime is about. That's why if Waid want's him dead in a story he can be.
Originally posted by cyber tuff guy!
So you're telling me the Myx from Smallville who was not 5th dimensional is the same Myx from the 1950's who is the same myx as now. They are all valid in Hypertime. You are still talking about the present continuity being the one version. This is not what Hypertime is about. That's why if Waid want's him dead in a story he can be.
Hypertime as it is now, hasn't shown Smallville or the cartoons as part of it. Hypertime is several mutliverses, but to my knowlege not any of the animated ones or small ville. As I said before, Mxy can be many beings at once. Just look at the mxy twins. Each as powerful as the original yet split. Batmite is an aspect of mxy, yet seperate and acting of it's own accord. There is only One mxy. Waid's version of the kingdom is not the same as the kingdom that exist today.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Hypertime as it is now, hasn't shown Smallville or the cartoons as part of it. Hypertime is several mutliverses, but to my knowlege not any of the animated ones or small ville. As I said before, Mxy can be many beings at once. Just look at the mxy twins. Each as powerful as the original yet split. Batmite is an aspect of mxy, yet seperate and acting of it's own accord. There is only One mxy. Waid's version of the kingdom is not the same as the kingdom that exist today.
Mark Waid from Wizard and quoted in Wiki; "It's all true ." It presumes that all of the stories ever told about (for example) Superman are equally valid stories. Despite overt contradictions between the versions of the character (and his adventures, supporting characters, and setting) that appeared in the late 1930s and 1940s comics by Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel, portrayed by George Reeves in the 1950s TV series, depicted in 1960s and 1970s comics drawn by Kurt Schaffenberger or Curt Swan, portrayed by Christopher Reeve in the 1978 movie and its sequels, written and illustrated by John Byrne in the late 1980s, portrayed by Dean Cain in the 1990s TV series Lois and Clark, portrayed by Tom Welling in the 2000s TV series Smallville, or portrayed by Brandon Routh in the 2006 movie, no one of these versions supersedes any other as canon. This was a repudiation of the prevailing approach to continuity in superhero comics, in which only the currently-used version is considered valid, rendering prior stories which are inconsistent with this continuity officially apocryphal.
Nuff Said!
Originally posted by cyber tuff guy!
[B]Mark Waid from Wizard and quoted in Wiki; "It's all true ." It presumes that all of the stories ever told about (for example) Superman are equally valid stories. Despite overt contradictions between the versions of the character (and his adventures, supporting characters, and setting) that appeared in the late 1930s and 1940s comics by Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel, portrayed by George Reeves in the 1950s TV series, depicted in 1960s and 1970s comics drawn by Kurt Schaffenberger or Curt Swan, portrayed by Christopher Reeve in the 1978 movie and its sequels, written and illustrated by John Byrne in the late 1980s, portrayed by Dean Cain in the 1990s TV series Lois and Clark, portrayed by Tom Welling in the 2000s TV series Smallville, or portrayed by Brandon Routh in the 2006 movie, no one of these versions supersedes any other as canon. This was a repudiation of the prevailing approach to continuity in superhero comics, in which only the currently-used version is considered valid, rendering prior stories which are inconsistent with this continuity officially apocryphal.Nuff Said! [/B]
First off, YOur using wiki, while i"m citing what has happened in comics. You are also using a quote from Mark Waid from YEARS ago. Nuff said. I have already said that the Kingdom was retconned as of IC.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First off, YOur using wiki, while i"m citing what has happened in comics. You are also using a quote from Mark Waid from YEARS ago. Nuff said. I have already said that the Kingdom was retconned as of IC.
It's you're not your (not being a grammar Nazi, but that one annoys me)
We are talking about an event from years ago in the story where Hypertime was introduced. Although Hypertime was mentioned in Infinite Crisis although it seems an out of fashion idea.
Everyone who knows comics knows what Hypertime is.
http://roar-of-comics.blogspot.com/2006/07/ahead-of-its-time.html
The first is that it included EVERYTHING. Every imaginary story, every Elseworlds, every movie, musical, every possible appearance by anyone anywhere. Presumably, this also included works that DIDN'T involve DC characters directly, like comics published by Marvel and Dark Horse. It certainly included comics published by Wildstorm, which DC Comics purchased the same year Hypertime was introduced. DC Editor Mike McAvennie once described it to me as "All stories are equally imaginary."
The second difference was that, rather than parallel Earths, the different worlds crisscrossed all the time, feeding into each other. So if, say, Smallville introduced a Lex Luthor who grew up in Smallville, yes, suddenly the DC Universe Lex Luthor had a childhood in Smallville as well. Under the old version, the Smallville Lex would have had to literally tear open a hole in the fabric of time and space and take the non-Smallville Luthor's place in order for that to occur. Under Hypertime, that changed history just sort of happens.
On the macroscale, it meant that any story, anywhere, COULD be an in continuity story for any one particular issue of, say, Impulse. Even if it's a fifty year old comic, or published by the Marvelous competition, or if it's a 19th century proto-horror novel. On the microscale, it means that every individual issue is a current within the main stream, which may or may not affect the other currents. After all, as Kurt Busiek once said, "they're all fairy tales we pretend take place in the same world because it's more fun that way."
Let's leave the last word to Waid!
"As Grant [Morrison, JLA writer] and I explained to the powers that be, as far as we're concerned, it's ABSOLUTELY NOT just some cheap device with which I can go tell Krypto the Super-Dog stories next month. I have no interest in that anymore. The entire rationale behind Hypertime was simply to once more throw open the doors at DC, to remind readers that continuity should follow stories, not vice-versa, and that the DCU should be a place where ANYTHING can happen. We're especially proud about the structure of Hypertime--that is to say, if you want to use it, you can, but if you're a creator or editor offended by it, that's fine, too, YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT. It's there as a tool, NOT AS A RULE." (quoted from Bruce Bachand's interview with Mark Waid, Jan. '99 *see www.fanzing.com for the complete interview).